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  • #399563 Reply
    Vivian

    Hello ladies! How are you doing today? :)
    My boyfriend and I have been dating for 4 months and our relationship is very much new but healthy-wise. We are both independent, no jealousy or attachment problems of any sort. Yesterday, my boyfriend met up with his friend, lets call her Kate, for a coffee before they went to pick up my boyfriend’s best friend, lets call him John, from the airport. They all went for drinks at his house, then went clubbing then went for skinny dipping! :) Now I realize eventhough all of them were probably drunk, yet I couldnt help but get somewhat angry and jealous. I pointed it out gently and politely and he assured me that no touches were involved. I gave the impression that I was relieved and that I accept that he has every right to befriend anyone he wants. Deep down, am still mad at him. Its one thing to go have coffee or clubbing or whatever with his friends, regardless of their gender, but skinny dipping is a whole new level.

    Do I have the right to be angry, or am I making a mountain of a mole hill?

    #399569 Reply
    Sassperilla

    I wonder how he would feel if you went skinny dipping with a guy… drunk… Ask him that.

    #399574 Reply
    Vivian

    The more I think about it, the more upset and mad I get. According to him, the issue is over with him relieving me and clearing any doubts that he had potentially cheated on me. What makes me more mad is that this my second real relationship, because the first one ended with me being my boyfriend’s side chick. He was cheating on his girlfriend of over a year with me. It would be one ironic turn of tables

    #399587 Reply
    Natalie

    Ask yourself if this is a dealbreaker for you. It sounds like it is, so don’t pretend it’s okay.

    I once had a nice guy who would always drive his coworker home because his she lived closeby and he wanted to help (he’s that kind of guy to everyone, not just her). She would commute by public transpo that would take her 2 hours, but by car, only 30mins. He said he felt bad if he wouldn’t help.

    I understood for awhile because I thought it was a really lovely trait for a man, until it got a little bit uncomfortable for me. He thought I wasn’t trusting him, I said it’s not that, my only take was, if it happened to me, having a nice handsome coworker who is so lovely enough to drive me home every single day, how would he feel? He thought about it and realized where I was coming from. I didn’t ask him to change but he eventually limit his generosity from everyday to a couple of days a week. That made me feel a lot more comfortable, and we never talked about it since.

    It’s a complete different story from yours but I suggest you take the same aprroach. Ask your bf the same, if you went skinny dipping with two drunken guy friends, how would he feel? The listen to what he says. If he doesn’t feel the same about it, then ask yourself if you still want to continue putting up with this behavior. Because he’s not going to change, and this will happen over and over again.

    #399590 Reply
    redcurleysue

    He crossed your boundary and you want to know what to do about it.

    Depends if this was a one time poor judgement call or another example of bad behavior. If you decide to overlook this lapse I would make it plain that this type of behavior will not be tolerated and it shows disrespect to you as his GF.

    If he shows poor judgement at other times besides this I would question if I want to be with this person.

    #399591 Reply
    talllady

    Mountain Molehill. There I sad it. They were not alone, there were other there. You will sound like a needy stick in the mud if you say anything else. Don’t have any fun while I am not there is what you are saying…

    If they had been alone, it would be have been a tiny bit worse, and I would get it, but in a drunk group – be thankful he told you. Don’t make him regret it.

    I would be fine with it assuming there were more than 2 people there….

    #399604 Reply
    Vivian

    Thank you all for the response.
    fortunately, this is a first and am thankful for that. Natalie, I was thinking of your approach and I think it would be suitable. Talllady, I see your point, but its not that I dont want him to not have fun without me, nor even cut his friendship with that women, its just that getting naked with someone, is still too intimate for two casual friends. I do agree, that it was a group in there, and not the two and THANK GOD! he did tell me and thats a good sign.

    #399608 Reply
    talllady

    You are entitled to your feelings, but if I ever explained a fun night I was having with multiple friends to my boyfriend and he got jealous like that, I would tell him it was his own issue and to deal with it. And I would not tell him about what I did with my friends for concern about judgement going forward.

    Now, if I was just with one man and I did that and he was upset, I would totally understand. Two people + nudity, not really ok.

    And if a friend told me he could not go skinny dipping in a group because his girlfriend did not like it, I would tell him to dump the stick in the mud.

    #399609 Reply
    talllady

    i want to be clear, he did not get naked with one woman who is a casual friend. He got drunk with friends, they got naked and went swimming. Not the same.

    #399610 Reply
    talllady

    what I am saying is that it was not intimate. Intimate is two people alone getting naked and doing anything….

    #399618 Reply
    Pauline

    It’s a good thing that he told you. This is definitely NOT cheating, but it can lead to one. The danger is there. Nudity and alcohol. I don’t know if I can handle the thought.

    As for me, I wouldn’t want my guy to be naked in front of a girl, or her getting naked in front of my guy. Especially if there’s alcohol involved. So this issue is not something I’ll tolerate if it happens again.

    I would let this incident go, but if it recurs, I’ll make sure to bring it up.

    Would you ever go skinny dipping with two of your guy friends though? If the thought is OK with you, then let it go.

    I’m also curious what your bf would think if you were that Kate they went skinny dipping with. Two guys and one girl, even if their bffs. Sounds wrong to me. But don’t let this affect your judgement.

    #399625 Reply
    Daisy

    Talllady I gotta disagree with you on this one. Who goes skinny dipping anymore? Who does it with a group of friends? Maybe I’m too conservative? I don’t know but I do see this as a dealbreaker.

    Talllady is right though that if you continue to talk about it he may stop telling you stuff.

    You need to decide if this is a dealbreaker for you. I would reapproach it somehow, I just don’t agree with this kind of behavior.

    #399628 Reply
    E.

    Well, this is entirely your call, Vivian. To me, it sounds like a red flag because the guy seems as if he’s still in his party phase. This may cause problems down the road if this becomes a long-term relationship. Are you attracted to outgoing partiers or would this be a problem for you?

    Speaking personally, I can’t handle partiers and the thought of my boyfriend being naked with another woman would be unacceptable to me. If I were in your shoes, we would be having a very serious discussion about boundaries and respect.

    Clearly, you are concerned about this issue. Just remember that there’s a thin line between “cool girlfriend” and allowing others to trample your boundaries. Might be time to have a talk.

    #399635 Reply
    talllady

    OMG – I am going to be very brusk here, but I really believe you are all giving her terrible advise. Advise that is saying this man is cheating and being intimate? NOT THE CASE. I know there are different opinions, but I really believe you are encouraging her in something she will not win and was not crossing any type of boundary. Sheesh.

    This man was with a group of people, who decided to go swimming. Dare I say – It sounds like a ton of fun???? I wish I was there!

    Who goes skinny dipping? People who live near water and have fun, that’s who.

    If he drinks too much on a regular basis, that is one thing, but if this is a one off occurrence. And if he was alone with her, I totally am on board with being upset.

    But there is no red flag here at all. There I said it.

    #399636 Reply
    talllady

    remember skinny dipping? You all strip off your clothes and run as fast as you can to the water, covering your bits. This was not some lounging around naked eating grapes from each other….

    #399639 Reply
    E.

    Talllady, that’s your opinion and that’s alright. But different people have different boundaries. What seems okay for you may be totally unacceptable for someone else. You need to respect that.

    If she feels that this crossed her personal boundaries, she has the right to broach the topic with him. If he feels as you do, they can work out their differences or they can break it off. But that is HER choice to make.

    #399643 Reply
    talllady

    Fair enough, but I just hope she does not go in guns blazing, because I really believe it will backfire.

    Maybe something like…

    I have been thinking and I need for you to help me. I know this is my issue, but I still feel real icky about thinking about you skinny dipping. I know it is irrational, but is is how I feel. I want you to have tons of fun, even when you are not with me, but getting naked with female friends feels weird to me. What about you??? What are your thoughts on it? It makes me feel like you are too intimate with her, even if nothing happened and you are in a group.

    #399677 Reply
    Carrie

    Another approach that you can use is simply state your boundaries in a relationship.

    Just say, a relationship to me is one that does not include nudity in front of another girl other than myself. Swimming is acceptable, but swimming naked is not. Are we same on this? Should the situation be reversed, would you want me nude in front of another guys?

    Then listen to what he says.

    A committed relationship is where two parties discuss what is acceptable and what is not. So should this issue arise in the future and it bothers you simply because it violates what is acceptable to you, it is right to discuss it calmly with your partner.

    #399779 Reply
    Vivian

    Thanks for your insightful responses :) I really appreciate taking time to reply
    Talllady, I have always agreed with you but pardon me, I cant agree this time. Am sure it was a great fun having to go skinny dipping and as much as I tried to normalize it and look at the situation the way you do, its hard and I end up mad and worried again.
    He is that kind of party boy, who loves to go clubbing and drinking, not excessively though, and has funny drunk stories. He was drunk when he slept with and first met his ex-girlfriend, plus, am aware he can do all sort of crazy activities when he is drunk, yet stripping to your birth suit and swimming with a naked girl is still unexpected and unacceptable as well, at least for me.

    Am not implying he has definitely slept with her, not am I suspecting him cheating on me, but like Pauline said, nudity and alcohol is a dangerous combination and maybe next time, he wouldnt be sober enough to judge right, plus, I dont know Kate and what she could have in mind (thats a possibility and I am aware I could be wrong about her)

    #399780 Reply
    Vivian

    I still want him to be comfortable around me, and I will still be that cool girlfriend that he likes. I was planning to approach the subject in a light-hearted but be honest, very similar to Talllady’s approach, as suggested by the ladies.

    Two weeks ago, we planned on spending Valentine together, but he neither confirmed nor asked me out. Am really disappointed to be honest, but there are plenty of good stuff he has done before and I try to remind myself of that. I was going to talk about it face-to-face if we met today, but from the looks of it, I wouldnt be able to talk to him till next weekend. Its bugging me and it has certainly made me repel him more, although I try not to show it much in our texting.

    #399785 Reply
    buttercup

    I’m sure plenty of people enjoy skinny dipping.

    I know I would given half the chance! I don’t live near water but in my younger years many of our drunken parties involved playing games and getting naked. My sister was the same with her friends. Even my parents have told me of the games they used to play with friends where they all used to end up naked or skinny dipping.

    As for a boyfriend doing it without me present I dont know how I would feel. Probably jealous I expect, but more so because I missed out on the fun.

    But until I’m in that situation I don’t really know how I would feel.

    I wouldn’t let it run an otherwise good relationship though.

    #399786 Reply
    Vivian

    I was nothing but warm and polite. Stated that I appreciate his honesty and respected it. Stated that I absolutely dont mind about being drunk and do crazy stuff, didnt mind him befriending women. Just pointed that getting drunk and naked with a woman, even if she is a friend, is still intimate for a casual friend. I mentioned that I do trust him and I dont suspect that he has cheated on me.

    His reply was that alcohol makes people do crazy shit and that I know what kind of person he is and if I dont appreciate that, then I have the choice of breaking up with him. I told him that I dont want to make this a huge dispute, nor do I want it to be the reason we part ways and if I didnt like his character, we ouldnt be talking now.

    Even if I didnt talk to him about it, it would have created tension from my side and eventually it would have ruined the relationship for sure. Atleast this way, even if we did part ways eventually, I tried talking with him.

    #399792 Reply
    Tallady

    Vivian,

    I am glad you feel better. I hope he does not back away. You had to do what you had to do, so I applaud you for it. Ultimately time will tell if you ar compatible or not.

    I would be more worried that he said you can break up with him instead of saying, yeah drinking can lead to bad decisions, I will think about it, than the incident itself.

    #399794 Reply
    Lagirl

    You would know better, but his comment about you ‘knowing who he is’. Sounded to me as if he was saying, I’m a party guy, i do stupid stuff when I drink, so you either accept that or move on…

    #399800 Reply
    Vivian

    Lagirl, thats exactly what he told me..literally.

    I was pretty shocked he responded with that. Through out or relationship, I have showed him that I accept who he is and as far as I saw, it was nothing short than a mature, funny and charming guy.

    The ball in his court now. I shall not text untill he does.

    Am really thankful for all your generous responses and for taking some of your valuable time and patience to respond to me and advise me :) Would it be okay if I wrote about some updates and asked for advices again? Am not that much experienced with relationships (am just 20 years old, he is 25 btw)

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