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  • #563836 Reply
    ALEX

    From a guys perspective will he be remembering all the bad stuff or like a bit of everything? Why would you regret sleeping with someone.. do you think he only said mean things because I pushed him to talk about it straightaway rather than waited and be cool about it? I don’t know how to pretend like nothings happened… I also deleted him from Facebook but now feel a bit silly because I obviously want to stay friends in real life so don’t know how to fix that… I’ve been crying on and off all day just thinking about what happened and going over and over it in my head.. what I should have done differently etc

    #563842 Reply
    alia

    He should be fixing that not you. He should be fixing so that you want to be friends with him. Your reaction is adequate.

    #563844 Reply
    Andrea

    Hi Alex, I guess the reason why you are so upset is that you are still hoping he can change his mind and wants more than just friendship with you. Give yourself some time to calm down, if you want to be friends with him later on, I am sure you can have it. But he doesn’t like you in a romantic way, please don’t try to make him do. And you won’t be miserable without his friendship.

    #563850 Reply
    ALEX

    Yeah you guys are right. I just like him so much that I think we would be perfect together and want him to change his mind and realise that at some point in the future… classic girl silliness I guess. It just hurts because he says there has never been anything there but I am almost hoping that what has made him react so negatively is me pushing him to talk about it so soon… when we left it was the middle of the day and things seemed totally normal. I don’t get either why he would let something happen in the cold light of day as it were when we were both sober if he dislikes me that much… I guess I want him to feel bad about losing me too as friend? Is that messed up? I know I am 30 but I have never really gone through the normal breakups and stuff people go through as teenagers so I am maybe freaking out more than I should.

    #563885 Reply
    Betty

    Alex you are not the first woman who has done something like this. Try to let it go. He is probably just as embarrassed as you are so take some comfort in that. No need to beat yourself up over it. When he returns to work, just be normal and sweet and kind, smile and be a friend. No worries!! Learn from it and move on the best you can. He should do the same. If anything comes out of it then great; if not then it wasn’t meant to be.

    #563915 Reply
    Joe

    Alex, He wasn’t saying mean things, he was just letting you know how he felt. It hurt your feelings because you want something different. Saying it shouldn’t have happened (regret) is a man’s way of apologizing for misleading you. And he knows you misconstrued his feelings because of what happened. And his saying “We should just pretend it didn’t happen and never talk of it again”, was his way of saying he’s sad you misunderstood and doesn’t want to talk about it because it will drum up bad feelings between you. I have an idea when he said it could be the start of something amazing, it was while he was drunk. Maybe at the time, he even thought there might be a chance of that, but later on he realized he wanted to keep you as a friend instead of entering an exclusive romantic relationship with you. We all say and do things when drunk that we would not, if sober.

    From a guy’s perspective, yes he will remember the incident, how sweet you were and how he hurt you, but he will try and push it to the back of his mind and let it fade. More than anything else, he wants to continue being good friends because he values you and the friendship.

    You deleted him from Facebook because you were hurt and angry, but he will be understanding of your reasons. Add him back and let him know your emotions took over when you deleted him.

    Please believe that he doesn’t dislike you! And nothing would have changed his feelings by what happened that night. If you had both been sober, the sex wouldn’t have happened and this situation could have been avoided, but neither of you can go back in time. You will both get through this and come out the other side as friends again and that’s a good thing.

    #563931 Reply
    ALEX

    Thanks guys I actually feel loads better now.

    I always get super anxious and needy when I am hungover so my only concern really is how desperate I sounded when I text him the evening after this all happened. The problem is as much as I like him neither of us are in a place to start anything as we have both recently broken up with people so I think it was just literally emotional panicking.. I hope he can realise that half the stuff I said was ridiculous.. that’s my only concern now trying to claw back some dignity as I feel pretty sick about how clingy and desperate I sounded when I was asking him why he didn’t see me that way and how he could initiate it all if he didn’t like me that way. Oh my God so cringey!

    At the end of the day I hope he wants to be friends but I will just act normal and I am really bubbly and happy in the office which is something he has always said he really loves about me so hopefully he will just pick up on the fact that I was tired and feeling a bit freaked out as someone rightly said casual sex is not my thing and I just got confused because we have deep feelings as good friends not anything else….

    The only advice I feel I really need is to claw back that I am not desperate or pining over him because that would make stuff super weird. I hope we can stay friends but I am worried my neediness might have ruined that… I am just going to carry on agenda free.. you never know in the future he might change and like me in that way I already know he adores me as a friend but if not that is fine too because I will meet the right person and will definitely have become wiser over this whole thing..

    #563932 Reply
    ALEX

    The worst thing was I think everything would have been fine had I not stated the whole texting thing… that morning we acted completelt normal like friends I played it completely cool we went out for coffee and then I ruined it by being needy and demanding he explain things… I knew better as well but couldn’t control myself. Do you think he will understand that I was just freaking out a bit and forget all the awful conversation?

    #563938 Reply
    Joe

    Alex, If you try to tell him you’re not desperate or pinning over him, no matter how you word it, it will make you look foolish after what you already texted him. He’s already told you he doesn’t want to talk about it, so respect his request. And don’t feel like you need to regain your dignity because in his eyes, you never lost it. I think I know where this is coming from, you don’t want him to pity you, right? Well men are like this: what’s done is done, now let’s move on. They don’t like a lot of drama!

    If he brings up the subject in any way, just go with the flow and respond accordingly. Otherwise, be your happy self and in time this will all blow over.

    #563939 Reply
    Joe

    *Correction: “..pining over him..”

    #564037 Reply
    ALEX

    Yes that is exactly it. I don’t want him to feel sorry for me or like im pathetic because I like him. I’m also worried now that because of what I said he won’t be able to forget it and will treat me differently…

    He said that things would be normal but he hasn’t text me or anything. I’m scared I’ve lost my best friend because he thinks I’m desperate. I’m so embarrassed I just wish I had never text him.

    I’m also sad because all of the things we had planned to do in the future together we probably never will… I have never felt this bad… also I know men say they just want to forget it and move on but can they really forget it? I mean I have not stopped obsessing over this since Saturday and I know that’s not normal. Do you think he has been thinking like oh poor pathetic Alex this whole time? I feel bad that I made him feel guilty about what’s happened. I just want to make him happy and go back to our easy go lucky friends that we were.

    He has another friend who he hasn’t slept with but who asked if they should be a couple and he gave her the same I don’t see you that way speech and I know he got annoyed with her for not dropping it… do you think if I just don’t mention it again things will go back to normal?

    #564046 Reply
    Maria

    Alex, there is no shame in what you did. So he knows you like him, so what? it is not a crime.

    Of course there was no need to text a guy after sex, this is something women should be taught by their mothers, but oh well, you did text him. Do not text anymore, and he’ll forget it.

    It is not terrible to let your feelings get exposed. If you really like him, give him time. Do not do anything anymore, do not talk about it, do not initiate, give it 1-2 months. I guarantee that if he did not have sex for 14 months and he sees you at work all the time dressed sexy (and make sure oyu do, short skirts, cleavage), he’d think of you in this way more and more – and if you don’t talk about it, if you are not available to him, if you are seeing other people and don’t even care about that episode, this is when he might want you again.

    Play it cool Alex, use your female instincts. Access to a woman’s body is a big deal, no matter what he says, he could have had sex…right. Then why didn’t he? Sex is very intimate, smart women don’t give it easily.

    It is very seductive for a guy to know that a woman likes him, wants him, to know what it’s like to sleep with her, to have been inside her body and seen her naked, and NOT be able to do it again.

    Stop your self beating and think like a geisha. lol

    Make sure that when he’d attempt to have sex with you again, you don’t give it to him unless you start dating. It is going to tease him, he’ll have fantasies about you, but he won’t show it of course, he’d pretend none of it matters to him.

    Many people suggest asking things directly, but in so many cases it is very awkward. I remember my ex asked me, do you feel jealous? blah blah..I did feel jealous but I was not going to confess it to him so I laughed it off and he believed me, even got upset about it. So direct questions are not always a good thing. Sometimes people would tell you the opposite.

    Your lesson: do not text the guy after sex – ever. No matter what.

    Do not sleep with your friends and if you are drinking arrange for an escape route.

    Do not sleep with someone at work.

    If you do confess your feelings, remember it is not terrible, it might even work in your favour later on, if you play your cards well. We all like those who like us. He now knows you like him…but can he get you? lol..

    Own what you did, it was 50/50 decision, so don’t play a victim.

    Use this “waiting” time to test him and see if he is a good person or not. Otherwise you’d be wasting your time and getting hurt in the process.

    Unblock him if he asks you. Smile. chuckle and say ‘yeahh….I should unblock you, shouldn’t I? you’ve been a good boy”..and JOKE about it. JOKE…this will get his ego in the right place.

    #564053 Reply
    ALEX

    Maria I hope you are right! I will play it cool like I don’t care and you are right no matter how much alcohol was involved he did want sex from me and even again the next day when we were sober so it can’t have been so bad..

    Do you think he really will think about it over time… he’s already said he can’t help but notice things like my breasts as he thinks they are nice so now he has seen me naked and dont stuff as long as I play hard to get not interested but make sure I always look hot he might maybe start to think about it and want more? I will make it clear that is not happening by never mentioning it and flirting with other people and stuff. We’ve had silly little disagreements before and I would ignore him (like the rules pretending I don’t care) and he would always break first and initiate contact or talks so stuff like that definitely bothers him…

    In the pub on Friday when he wasn’t drinking he got super jealous when I was saying how hot these two guys were and flirting with them (they were gay and just playing) and even admitted he was! Then on the Saturday all this happened!

    I won’t text him now until he texts me even if it’s not before he comes to work on Monday… on Monday I will wear a super tight lovely red dress with heels and play it completely like I don’t care…

    #564056 Reply
    ALEX

    The only thing maria actually is that he was the one adamant it owould never happen again so I don’t know how seductive knowing we have had had sex will be as he is the one who doesn’t want it again… I am hoping though that he was just panicked when saying all this because I did the stupid thing of texting and not playing it cool… also it must be nice for guys to know that someone likes you and for me especially he knows I’ve never had a one night stand and take sex super seriously so that must make him feel good about himself?

    #564070 Reply
    Boo

    I don’t think you should hold out hope he will change his mind if you wear cute outfits and act aloof. That’s child’s play, do not try to manipulate him into something he clearly stated he doesn’t want. You can speculate his reasoning on this or that til you’re blue in the face, but all its going to accomplish is wasting your time and hurting you further.

    #564077 Reply
    Maria

    Alex, he can say one thing today and another thing tomorrow. Do not take it as the last word spoken. I think he likes you and given that you have a great and sexy body he WILL lust after you. Just put yourself in a guy’s shoes. of course he would and of course he thinks about it. Sex is a big deal, not only to you. I talked to an actor who slept with over a hundred of women. He remembers them all he says.Your guy has been sex starved, so of course he thinks about you, and jerks off to it as well. I can bet any money on it.

    Do not overdo flirting with others, it will be obvious then that you are doing it on purpose. Just dress to kill, sexy, to tease him and do not allow anything. Being unavailable AFTER he’s had a chance to taste you is going to drive him crazy. So flirt with him, tease and joke and play it cool. Do not text, do not initiate anything, all initiative has to come from him.

    He might even start talking about how he does NOT want anything..to try and get you to express your feelings again, do not fall in that trap. Just play it cool, say sure, no worried and talk about something else.

    No matter what he says, do not take it at face value, he slept with you, so he WAS attracted to you. But there are reasons for which he is not wanting to engage into something more, those reasons can change with time if you treat the situation with tact and care.

    Good luck!

    #564107 Reply
    ALEX

    Maria that great advice but one thing do I act completely normal? Like we have lunch every day I will obviously not initiate that but if he does do I go? Or do I turn it down… it’s on lunch that we usually are really flirty and fun and talk about super deep emotional things. I think he freaked maybe because neither of us are ready for it he’s still not over his ex and we work together but I will try to get him to realise we are actually good together by showing that I don’t need him?

    #564175 Reply
    Maria

    Alex, don’t turn him down. Being unavailable does not mean being rude. Gosh…be a little more subtle please. After you texted him all those things he now thinks you’d want more from him, and he’d pull away and be aloof with you, but when he sees that you are sweet and nice and friendly, he’d relax. THEN…he’d remember the episode and he’d wonder… Time will go by and he’d wonder more, especially because you won’t be pressuring him.

    Be nice and sweet and flirty. But do not ask for anything from him, do not initiate personal topics, whether you are ready for things or not, etc. Do not imply that you’d like to continue your sexual relations or anything more than friendship. if he starts talking about it, you brush it off GENTLY, say that you both made a mistake and it is not a big deal, it happens, so you can move past it.

    “I will try to get him to realise we are actually good together by showing that I don’t need him?” – you are not showing him that you don’t need him, you are showing him that you don’t want to sleep with him just because. And yes, the less you “need” a guy, the more he wants you usually. Thus does not mean you ignore him. You still tease and flirt but you don’t express any personal interest. Be “just friends” but wear very sexy clothes and in a subtle ways make him feel he is not the only guy you like. Develop friendship, support him, but do not allow sex. Unless..he starts asking you out.

    You need to slow down and stop being so anxious. If you want to win him over, it will take time, many months, maybe a year or more, especially because he is not over his ex. If you rush things in this situation you are going to get the opposite results. I think you have a good chance, provided you are willing to wait and play it cool.

    And in the meantime, you should observe him as a person and decide if he really is what you deemed him to be. You are so into him already, why? Step back and observe. He might not be the man you think he is. His last “action” was quite irresponsible, do not forget that.

    #564207 Reply
    jackie

    So I see roles have inverted. Now women win men in the early stages. I see that wrong. Alex you need yo be honest with yourself first, then youll know whats the best next thing to do. From my experience, in this stage of the relationship women must do nothing, they only have to accept what the man is willing to offer them. So if the man asks you out, you say yes. If the man calls you, you pick up the phone. If the man offers flowers, you take it with a smile. By letting the man do the action, you let him show you what he thinks of you.

    But you see, in your case, he did none of those because there was no romantic interest, it never was.

    Men can appreciate and admire sexy women without wanting a relationship with them. I recommand you to read blogs written by men to women, because youll see things from a total diffrent prespective. You will see how complicated we women are when it comes to romantic interest, and how simple to read a man s mind is. evanmarckatz.com is a good one to start.

    #564216 Reply
    Ianthi

    #I don’t think you should hold out hope he will change his mind if you wear cute outfits and act aloof#

    I tend to agree with Boo here. While there are most definitely some circumstances where what Maria is advocating will work and while there’s no harm in trying your best to win him over, in view of the background/his stance here, I wouldn’t bank of it. As things stand, and while he MAY change his mind at some point further down the line, chances of him changing his mind now, are fairly slim.

    As someone else mentioned you’re certainly not the first person this has happened to. I’ve seen numerous instances of this type of alcohol work-related hooking-up, where either one or both ever intended taking it any further! Alcohol has a tendency to heighten what can be just normally be lukewarm to nil attraction. Gosh, I even remember snogging a guy at a work party, I was only vaguely attracted to before and I had no intention of entering into a relationship with, ever. On the other hand, there were others who did go on straight away to progress things further.

    #564358 Reply
    ALEX

    I get what the last two posters have said but surely being so close means more than just random work acquaintances hooking up in a stationery cupboard?

    #564367 Reply
    Anon

    Agree 100%, Ianthe.

    The reason my first question, before sharing any thoughts at all, was how drunk were you both, is because that line about “the start of something amazing”, was exactly that – a drunken line. It’s the neon flashing light in your post.
    That’s how boys reel girls in under those circumstances. It’s like a magic phrase to get her eating out of his hand. Basically I feel like you’re being a little naive here and clinging to a drunken mistake, wishing it was more. No judgement, it happens to the best of us. But fixating and fretting…won’t do you any favors.

    #564375 Reply
    Phillygirl

    I agree completely with Jackie. If this guy had really been interested, he would have done something before you had a drunken night of sex.

    He might have enjoyed flirting, or thought you were attractive, but if he had really been interested enough for more, he would have done SOMETHING before that night.

    I can’t tell you how many guys have told me “women don’t listen”, and that “they (guys) are pretty straightforward and say what they mean!”” I am not talking about players and the like, but most decent guys.

    Your guy has been VERY clear. Yet, here you are, obsessing, over analyzing, plotting, and not listening.

    I am not trying to be unsympathetic, but you really need to STOP. He has been very clear how he feels. Not believing him will only hurt YOU.

    Stop thinking you can change his mind. Men find it very insulting when a woman thinks they don’t know what they want. Especially when they’ve just told you what they don’t want.

    Stop focusing on your hurt ego. Yes, it’s normal for our egos to be bruised after something like this. But you need to pay attention and acknowledge what he told you.

    He DOES NOT want a romantic relationship with you. I asked some guys at work I trust about this post. They all said “If I said this to a girl, I’d mean that I really wasn’t interested in her that way”. Guys are simple. We make it complicated when we cant’ accept an outcome… and want more.

    #564405 Reply
    Omi G

    I agree with Phillygirl, “Your guy has been VERY clear. Yet, here you are, obsessing, over analyzing, plotting, and not listening.”

    “Guys are simple. We make it complicated when we cant’ accept an outcome… and want more.”

    you’re hurt because he’s not feeling the same as you. You’re taking it as he’s being a jerk. He’s being nice and not avoiding you and he clearly still wants to be friends and that’s it. Platonic friends. He was probably 100% being truthful that you are hot and beautiful and amazing. Your ego is crushed and you got attached. We all have felt that way but you know what? You’ll be over him in like a month. You’ll say to yourself “what the hell was I thinking”. Don’t take it personal though. There’s plenty of men out there.

    #564409 Reply
    boo

    I am really sorry and know exactly what you’re going through, I have been there many times and it’s very painful, but you need to hear this: no, nothing he said means anything. No, there’s nothing you can do to make him change his mind. No, it’s nothing you did, didn’t do, wore, looked like, said, didn’t say. This is going to (or already has, because your posts are superficially lighthearted but I remember that pit in your stomach when you grope for possibilities) consume you, please don’t let it. If he wanted to date you, he would have made that quite obvious before the alcohol – not by an innuendo or a look, but by asking you out. Please, try to move on.

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