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    Z

    This turned out to be super long, so here’s the CLIFFNOTES VERSION: My guy friend and I dated for 6 months and are now back to being friends. He asks me not to text him when he’s on dates and he doesn’t tell any of his dates about me. He hides me from them. He says we’re not cheating because we’re not doing anything physical. I disagree. I’ve told him I’m ending the friendship because of this, he doesn’t want to and says I’m being dramatic. What should I do?

    Here’s the LONG VERSION: My best guy friend and I have a complicated relationship. After he broke up with his longtime gf, last summer, he and I decided to try dating. The dating relationship started out great and we jumped into adopting a cat together after four months. My friends and family all advised against it, but it was something we’d been talking about before dating, so we moved forward with it anyway. We had a really good time together for about six months. Then when he found out his ex was dating someone else, he finally began grieving the relationship. Seeing his pain and how he needed space, while also dealing with my own personal issues with work and mental health, I suggested we cool things off and focus on ourselves. He agreed, so we transitioned back to friends. We have a great friendship and are doing a great job taking care of our cat (he lives with me, and his “dad” comes over regularly and is financially responsible).

    The problem that has come up is that there is always that feeling of more than just friends, but less than a relationship. We haven’t slept together since December, and we haven’t kissed since January. We’ve been good about drawing that line. Despite that, there have been several times we’ve hung out that seem more date-like than just two friends hanging out. For example, we’ve gone on several day trips to the cliffs where we drive a few hours and spend the day looking out at the water from the cliffs, talking, laughing, hiking, taking pics. We’ll be gone all day, so we get breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and have watched the sunset together.

    We’ve both agreed that we’re not a couple and we are free to date other people. And we have. He even briefly got back together with his ex. One of the times we were out at the cliffs together, his ex texted and asked him to send her his location. He panicked because he knew she’d question who he was with at the cliffs all day. I told him to just be honest and tell her he’s with his friend (she doesn’t know that we dated or adopted the cat). He wasn’t comfortable telling her and made up a story that he was with one of his male friends. Then next time we hung out, she called, and he again told her he was with one of his male friends. After that, I asked him why he lied. He said that he just didn’t want to cause any drama. His ex has always been super jealous and sometimes even checks his phone, so he is trying not to cause any problems since they just got back together. I told him I wasn’t comfortable with it, and he assured me that he’d be honest with her soon.

    This continued to happen a few times where he’d lie to her about being with me or he’d tell me that he’s going to be with her so not to text him. I told him that made me uncomfortable. I was getting to the point where I was going to tell him that I can’t continue to hide our friendship from her because it’s making me feel like the side chick when I’m not, but they ended up breaking up. So I never brought it up again.

    He is completely single now and is actively dating. Just yesterday, he texted me asking me not to text him or send him anything on social media until the evening after he gives me the ok. I told him I don’t like it when he does that and that it makes me feel weird. He told me that he’s not doing anything wrong. He’s single and I need to just trust him. He went on to say that women always question things and he doesn’t want to deal with it. I told him I didn’t feel right about it and let him know that if this continues, I will have to walk away from our friendship because I feel my feelings aren’t being valued.

    I didn’t hear from him until this morning, when he said good morning and asked how I am. Still feeling uneasy from last night, I said that I don’t feel like my feelings are being valued or respected. I told him that he continues to ask me to do something I’m uncomfortable with and that I’d never put him in that situation. That’s not friendship. I also asked if this request is something he asks of every one of his female friends. I find that hard to believe, so why is it just me he’s asking this of? I added, “you say we’re just friends, but when you do things like this it makes it seem like there’s more there and it’s confusing. I told him that I have a lot of male friends and this has never been an issue so if this is going to be a problem, I’m done. I can’t allow him to not respect me enough to value how I feel.

    He made more excuses. So I said, “What I’m hearing is that you don’t value our friendship and you don’t respect me. I think this friendship has run its course. Let me know when you’re available to come by and pick up your things and return my key.” He has a key to take care of the cat when I’m gone. I also made it clear that he can still co-parent the cat, but I need my house key back. He told me, “No. Don’t ruin a friendship over something stupid like this.” He also talked about all the stress he’s been under. I recognized that we are both under a lot of stress and said “I’m doing what I think will alleviate stress from both our lives and walking away.” I also told him “We have to be strong and do what’s best for us. And right now, maybe friends isn’t what’s best for us. Maybe that will change in the future – and I hope it does – but right now we need to focus on healing ourselves.” He kept saying “no” and telling me I was being dramatic, in a bad mood, and that he’d talk to me tomorrow. I let him know that this isn’t a mood. This is something I’d been thinking about for a while now. I even said, “we can talk tomorrow, but I’m going to feel the same way. I think we just need to take some time apart.” He said I was getting mad for no reason and said he was going to block me for today to give me time to cool off and that he’d talk to me tomorrow. He also added, “we aren’t in a relationship. We’re just friends.”

    Did I overreact? Or did he? Is it normal to ask your female friends not to message you when you’re on a date? Is it ok to “hide” your female friend from the women you date? Is it just me, or does it seem like he likes me, but not enough. Like he doesn’t want to date me, but he wants to keep me around and not tell other women about me just in case he decides to date me in the future. I’m so confused. I hate ending a good friendship over this. But I also feel very slimy when I know he’s lying to other women when he’s with me. He insists we’re not cheating because we’re not kissing or having sex. I disagree. Cheating comes in many forms and I feel like this could be seen as one of them. I have always prided myself on not getting involved with men who have girlfriends or wives. Now I feel like I’m the other woman. What should I do? How do I handle this?

    #946535 Reply
    Raven

    Stop letting him pull you into his drama. Get your key back, walk away…

    #946538 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    What makes a situation like this complicated is that he’s not a bad guy and that there’s goodness there in your friendship.

    If it was simply bad and you wanted out, it would be easy enough to end.

    It’s tricky because it’s a mix. As you said, you don’t want to throw away a friendship.

    I’m not here to tell anyone what to do.

    I do think it would be good for you to reflect on the cost of what having this complicated friendship does to your love life.

    It’s a subtle effect, but you’re emotionally entangled with this guy. Even if you’re not being physical, I imagine it would be difficult for you to picture getting a new relationship with a guy while having this complicated friendship the way it is now.

    The stuff you mentioned about him hiding you from women he’s dating – it comes down to the fact there is something there that’s more than simply friendship and he wants to avoid talking about that because he knows it would introduce friction.

    I’m not here to pass moral judgment on people, but looking at it from a strategic angle, this allows him to hedge his dating life… essentially he’s dating but your complicated friendship is still “warm” enough for it to potentially shift back into a relationship.

    Again, I’m not saying he’s a bad guy… I’m not saying this is a good thing to do, but he’s transparent with you that he’s doing this, so at least there’s clarity there.

    The big thing that I’m thinking about is what’s good for you?

    I think a lot of clarity is lost when we imagine a gradient of relationship types between romantically involved or not. I think it’s better to have 2 distinct categories: people I’m romantically involved with and people I’m not.

    And I think that once someone is in your “romantically involved” category, that’s the category they’re in.

    By that I mean, I think the analysis is much more clear when you don’t call it a “complicated friendship” but rather “someone I’m romantically involved with”.

    Despite what’s portrayed in pop-culture, it’s exceedingly rare for a woman to have more than one man she’s romantically involved/emotionally entangled with make progress towards what’s best for her own love life.

    I think the big hangup for you might simply be that he’s not a bad guy and there’s goodness in your friendship, but this overall situation isn’t good for you (or the future of your own love life).

    What keeps people stuck and spinning their tires is if there’s male-female drama about “what the relationship should be”.

    He says it’s fine. She says she’s not OK with it.

    He says you’re being dramatic. She says it’s a form of cheating.

    He says we can date other people. She says he’s not doing it in a way she’s OK with.

    What I would invite you to consider is: What serves ME here? What’s good for ME?

    He’s being transparent with you – as in, he’s telling you he’s essentially hiding you from women he’s dating – so he’s doing what’s good for him in his love life. He’s being honest with you about what he’s doing, which is a good thing because you can make a clear decision of what’s good for you, what serves you.

    What is that for you? Only you can look inside and know for yourself, but right now it sounds like he’s doing what’s good for him and you’ve been grappling about how to deal with it, balance the friendship, etc.

    I think there’s a version of reality where you just simply get clear on what’s good for you and your love life and you just do that.

    No explaining yourself. No negotiating it. No trying to balance it all out and make it work.

    Just get clear and do what’s good for you… if the friendship can accommodate you doing it your way, great… then it can work in your life. If it can’t, then it’s clear it can’t be part of your life.

    But this can be an exploration… Your best answer is going to come from within you, so the purpose of my answer is to show you the way to it.

    #946545 Reply
    Z

    Eric, thank you so much for taking the time to read and respond to my post. It really means a lot to me.

    You are so right in so many things that you said. Yes, he’s not a bad guy. In fact, he’s a really good person. As far as I know, he’s always been honest and up front with me, even if he’s not always with others. That tells me he does value our friendship. And I do feel that he truly cares about me.

    I don’t want to throw away the friendship because it’s such a good one. We connected and became comfortable with each other quickly. An added complication is the cat we share. Even if we were to end the friendship, ties would never truly be severed as long as we’re co-parenting him.

    You are right that it is affecting my love life. Although I don’t date much and I’ve never had much of a love life, this blurred lines relationship definitely keeps me from even being interested in other guys. As much as I hate to admit it, I still do have some feelings for him and I think on some level I do hope/think that there is a future for us beyond friendship.

    You hit the nail on the head with him wanting to avoid talking about the something more that’s there. He is very avoidant in a lot of things. Not just this. He’s quick to shutdown and not want to continue the conversation. In fact, he’s told me before that if we need to talk about anything uncomfortable, he’d rather it be via text. Which I found very odd. But I’ve tried to respect that. What makes this difficult is that, while I feel that there is more there on his end, he won’t admit it. He encourages me to go on dates, and has told me that I deserve to find someone who will love me the way I should be loved. Him saying those things made be believe him that there isn’t more there. But his actions and even sometimes a ping of jealously questioning if I’m going on a date are the opposite of his words. And it’s confusing.

    You are right in that he’s got the best of both worlds right now. He’s able to date around, yet he has a perfect little home life with me and the cat. We aren’t roommates or anything, but he has a key to my place and comes and goes as he pleases. He has a drawer with clothes here, a toothbrush, and even has his mail delivered here rather than getting a PO Box. So it very much feels like we’re “playing house.” We even call each other Mommy and Daddy to the cat. Because of all of this, I can see how it could potentially shift into a relationship. And I think I do hold out hope that we’ll get there at some point. Which, like you said, affects my love life (even if I don’t have much of one).

    The two distinct categories you talked about are very much non-existent for us. And I think we would be wise to put it in a category – specifically the “romantically involved with” category. However, I can’t see him agreeing with me on that. I’m almost positive he’ll say, “but we’re not romantically involved. We’re just friends.” He’s said something similar a few times. He’s told me, “we’re not in a relationship. We’re just friends.” It drives me crazy, because aside from the physical aspect of it or lack thereof, we ARE in a relationship. One of our mutual friends said it best when she told me, “You guys are the cutest old married couple. Who’s not married…or a couple.”

    You bring up an excellent question. What’s good for ME? It’s a great question, but the answer is complicated. I’ve spent the last several days trying to answer that question and what I came up with is this: Keeping the friendship is good for me because I would be devastated if it ended. I can’t imagine my life without him in it. BUT what else is good for me would be for me to completely close the door on any possibility of this ever materializing into a relationship. As long as that door isn’t locked, there’s always that chance it can open. Not sure how I’m going to get myself there. I still need to figure that out. Part of me wants to start dating someone else in hopes that will help me lock that door. But part of me doesn’t really want that. It’s definitely a question I am still trying to fully answer.

    To further complicate things, he just got back together with his ex. They’ve been off and on for a while. It’s really a dysfunctional and toxic relationship. He admits that himself when it ends. Then he makes excuses when they start back up again. What complicates OUR situation now that he’s back together with his ex is that she is a very jealous and insecure person. I might even say controlling. She asks to see his phone, she asks for his location at times, and she expects him to hang out with her every day that she’s available. For example, my birthday recently passed and he wants to take me out to dinner to celebrate. But he’s trying to schedule my birthday dinner around HER schedule. I suggested a certain day that would work well for both of us and he was trying to turn our dinner into a lunch so he could be back home by 4 when she gets out of work. I suggested he just tell her not to come over that day because he’s celebrating a friend’s birthday. His response to that was, “she’s a lady so she gets jealous when I spend time with other people instead of her. So I have to schedule carefully.” That really upset me because it reminded me so much of my sister’s marriage where she wasn’t able to do things on her own or with friends without her husband getting upset. It was a horribly abusive and controlling relationship that took her more than 10 years to get out of. So when I hear him talk like that, it worries me that he’s heading down that same path. Especially since they are off and on all the time, and I see the damage it causes him. He gets so stressed out and depressed when things are going badly or when it ends so he isolates himself. He is hurt, then angry recognizing how toxic their relationship was. Then he starts recovering, only to end up giving her another chance as he downplays the drama and toxicity.

    With them back together again, it complicates things even more. That is definitely not good for me. But I don’t think walking away from the friendship is either. Which puts me back to trying to answer your original question of what’s good for me?

    #946546 Reply
    Kelly

    It sounds like you are unhappy. Do not worry about what he does- worry about what you do. You are wasting time concerning yourself about him and his relationship. For your birthday- set a boundary and follow through- let him know when you are available for dinner. If he makes the plan that works for you- great- otherwise he doesn’t get to take you out to dinner. Start small as I think it would be hard to completely take yourself out of the relationship. Begin by setting one boundary.

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