After 8 months, he says he doesn't love me.


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    Beth

    Hi all,

    I need your advice with something.

    The background:
    This weekend, is the eight month mark with my boyfriend.
    He is 34 and I am 36.
    He lives in central London.
    I live in a commuter town, 60 miles outside of London.
    I work in London so go into the city everyday.
    I have a 3-year-old dog.
    I own my own home.
    He owns his own flat.
    We have different political opinion – and vote opposite parties to one another.

    The situation:
    Despite our differences, I was captivated by John from the moment we met. We have dated regularly and see each other every weekend, and once in the week. Usually me going to his, as he does not like my dog and we tend to do more in London. So my parents look after my dog a lot.

    We have argued about politics a lot – particularly in the face of Brexit – but have agreed to disagree on this. I’m not overly political but i feel tensions are heightened at the moment as politics are so rife right now.

    I’ve met his friends and he’s met mine. He’s met my family, and I’ve met his. (As a note, he didn’t introduce his last two girlfriends to his family, so this is a big deal).

    I fell in love within by three month mark but didn’t tell him. At five months we went to Greece for my birthday. He didn’t get me a card or do anything special for my birthday. But despite this I had a wonderful day and wanted to tell him I love him. I probed him about these three words but didn’t say I loved him. He revealed that the last two girlfriends has said it to him but he didn’t say it back. He said – and I quote – that “it was like a tumbleweed moment. And I have my tumbleweed ready in my pocket now.” I immediately felt crushed because I was ready to say “I love you.”

    I let it go but it built up over the next few days until I let my sadness and disappointment spill out in the guise of a huge political argument in a restaurant. We ended up going home to our hotel and having a huge row. It was just my upset about the tumbleweed comment coming out in other ways. We got over it.

    Fast forward another three months and I still am waiting for those elusive words.

    Yesterday, I had to bring it up. I told him I felt like our relationship had stagnated and was not progressing, that I love him but we don’t feel like we have a relationship of love. We don’t connect and we have stopped having sex as he has developed a problem and cannot perform the last three times, so we have not had proper intercourse for almost a month. I’ve felt more and more withdrawn from him.

    I asked him if he loved me.

    He said he didn’t. He said because of the distance and the fact that I have a dog, there is too much logistics. That we can’t just “be”. We only see each other when we are socliazing with friends, family or ourselves. Last weekend, we stayed in on Friday night and watched TV, went to lunch with my family on the Saturday, went to the theatre by ourselves on the Saturday night and on the Sunday had sunday lunch with his family. How am I unlovable during these times? He said he wants more moments where we just “be”. Read the newspaper on a sunday morning, go for a coffee and a croissant, do chores, watch telly, go for a walk. Normal everyday, rather than events. I understand that, and naturally these things will come when we move in together. But we can’t move in together if we don’t love each other. He says he doesn’t love me because we cannot just “be”. Because I live outside London and because I have a dog there is too much logisitics.

    He said if I also lived in London and didn’t have a dog, then I would stay at his more and more until eventually, I’d gradually, subtly moved in.

    I have said I will move to London, but not to inner London. From the edge of London he could still get to work within 30 mins, but it would mean I could get out to see my family and friends in my hometown in 60 mins. He says no, he says he wants me to move to inner London, which makes getting out to my hometown take 2 hours. He will not compromise on this.

    As for the dog, he has said in jest than when we move in together, he’d shoot it. Or if not that, then she has to live in a shed in the garden. I know he is joking so it’s unfair to highlight this, but these are the comments I deal with. He has agreed and accepted that when we move in together the dog comes but he wants the dog downstairs and not in the bedroom. I currently let her sleep on my bed (when he’s not there) and she has to sleep in her basket when he is. I have a baby gate across the door and have said to him I would make this commitment to him that she doesn’t come in the bedroom, but I would like her to be able to come upstairs and perhaps have her basket on the landing outside our bedroom door. He said no.

    I feel like if he does not love me now, will he ever love me. I’ve been left feeling very confused and unclear about where I stand. My friends have told me to walk away because he is not compromising on anything and is being very selfish. I don’t know what more to do but I am feeling very unloved and don’t understand why I cannot be loveable when we are doing social things, rather than sitting in my PJs in front of the telly. If we moved in together, then naturally we would do more normal, everyday things, but does that make me more lovable?

    Any ideas on how I can tackle this. I am 36, I want to meet my life partner and get married and have children.

    Thanks
    Beth.

    #776838 Reply
    Beth

    And add to this, because we are long-distant we go for two or three days at a time without seeing one another. He hates texting and never rings me. In the 8 months we’ve been together he’s only rung me twice, and both times only after coercion. So we whatsapp on those days, but he doesn’t like it. Rarely contacts me first and says he does not like doing it.

    #776839 Reply
    anon

    He sounds like a jerk. The comment about shooting your dog? Disgusting. Does he want kids? Because a dog is a lot less work than kids. You are settling with this guy. He is a JERK. He makes you feel unloved and unlovable.

    You guys are in the EASY part of a relationship. When things get hard? He will become more of a jerk and you will feel more unloved.

    #776840 Reply
    K

    Beth, please wake up. You two are massively incompatible for many reasons. He knows it but you aren’t willing to see. Open your eyes. Too many differences. He’s just passing time with you. He’s never been and never will be serious about you.

    And…” As for the dog, he has said in jest than when we move in together, he’d shoot it. Or if not that, then she has to live in a shed in the garden.”

    That’s not funny, even allowing for a twisted British sense of humor. That’s your beloved pet he’s talking about. If someone was intolerant of my pets and spoke like that about them, I’d be gone so fast it would make his head spin.

    You’re putting up with too much because you’re desperate to be in a relationship and that’s not a good place to operate from.

    How to “tackle” this? You need to walk away from him and start dating other men who will be a better match. And more geographically desirable. I”m sure that’s not what you want to hear, but hanging onto him isn’t going to get you anywhere but more hurt.

    #776841 Reply
    K

    And I don’t know you feel confused – he’s been very clear with you about where you stand with him. It just isn’t what you want to hear. Who you are, where you, your dog… none of it works for him on a long term basis. I kind of feel like the sex thing is an excuse so he doesn’t have to have sex with you.

    This isn’t about you being lovable. You’re perfectly lovable right now as you are… to the right man. He isn’t the right man. He’s going to find fault no matter what you do. He’s pushing you to do the dirty work of breaking up so he doesn’t have to. Just ghost him. And never look back.

    You’ve already wasted 8 months. How much more time you can’t get back do you want to waste??

    You need to learn to value yourself more before you go out dating again. And have standards and boundaries. People don’t respect you when you tolerate too much crap.

    #776843 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    He says he doesn’t love you, and jokes about shooting your dog. DO NOT MOVE IN WITH THIS GUY.
    “I know he is joking so it’s unfair to highlight this, but these are the comments I deal with.”– It’s extremely relevant to highlight this! These are not the words of a man you want to build a long-term future with.

    I agree with all the replies above, 100%. He’s being a total a$$hole. I know it’s difficult to end a long term relationship but you deserve to be with a guy who does not put conditions on his love. Saying that you are not “lovable” because you don’t spend enough time just “being” together (which is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard)– that’s just an excuse. He doesn’t love you, period. You deserve to be with someone who does.

    #776844 Reply
    Raven

    He puts conditions on his love for you… These conditions will continually change, there will always be a reason(s)he can’t love you.

    #776853 Reply
    Peggy

    Agree 100% with the others. To be clear:
    #1 He does not love you and that is not likely to change at this point.

    #2 He sounds like a selfish a@@ and likely a commitment-phobe.

    #3 He is full of excuses and B.S.

    #4 The dog “jokes” are not funny,I bet he really is hateful toward your dog.

    #5 He sounds a million miles way from marriage or kids and does not sound like Dad material.

    #6 You seem to be doing “most of the work”-going to him,seeing him on his terms etc.

    You would/will be amazed, when you dump him and find a great guy for you,how you ever accepted his jerky ways! You deserve much better!

    #776854 Reply
    kaye

    I’m very sorry you have wasted 8 months of your life on such an A-hole!!! I don’t think anything could have been more cruel than the way he told you he didn’t love you!  “it was like a tumbleweed moment. And I have my tumbleweed ready in my pocket now.” It’s like he was warning you if you were ready to say “I love you” you certainly weren’t going to hear it back from him! And he also put you on the same playing field as the last 2 women he dated even though you wanted to feel special because you had met his parents!  And when you finally get down to asking him if he loved you, he blamed it on the distance and your dog. Two things which is someone really loved you would make no difference at all!! And saying he doesn’t love you because you can’t just “be” makes no sense at all! What were you doing on Friday night just hanging out and watching TV? 
    In reading this I see nowhere he has put any effort into this relationship. He refuses to be around your dog or allow it to come to his place. He won’t compromise on where you would live together, it has to be inner London. I can’t understand not wanting a dog in bed with you, but to not even allow her to sleep upstairs? He didn’t get you a card or anything for your birthday. I totally agree with your friends. He is not compromising on anything, is being incredibly selfish, and openly admits he doesn’t love you. I’m not sure why you would even consider staying. 

    #776864 Reply
    redcurleysue

    This is not love but desperation to find someone for your vision. Do yourself a favor and lose this guy. When you feel stronger go out and meet someone else. Have a better life than this.

    Jeepers, he will make you miserable…take your hand out of this fire.

    #776866 Reply
    Daisy

    Just echoing what everyone else has said. Please put a higher value on yourself. If marriage and children is what you want, then it looks like you’ve already wasted 8 months of your time, don’t waste another minute. I know it feels nice to have companionship, but you need to see this relationship for what it is. If after 8 months he doesn’t love you, then he probably never will. Especially if he has strings attached to that love. And even if you met all of his ridiculous requirements, he probably still won’t be able to say it. There are probably other issues going on with him not being able to connect in that way, but don’t waste your time trying to solve that problem.

    I think you need to take a step outside yourself and see the relationship for what it is. And if you reread your original post, and this was a friend saying this to you, I’m sure you’d urge your friend to leave this man as well. Your loved ones know you better than any other person on this forum, so please listen to their advice!

    #776871 Reply
    Amber

    Hi Beth, I remember you from your thread last year. You were heartbroken after your breakup with a South African guy who you had only been dating for 3 months.

    Back then I thought you sounded like a lovely, decent woman who was just searching for the love of her life. I felt hor you, because I’ve been in your situation where I fell hard too fast and had my heart broken a couple of times. And I’m also an independent, successful woman in my late 30s.

    I’m glad you had moved on and started dating again. But how in the world did you end up with this guy?? And how can you be in love with someone who treats you so bad! Never mind that he says he doesn’t love you. That’s just the icing on the cake. He threatens your pet, he’s aggressive, he hurts your feelings, to say the least.

    Just think about it? Imagine you stay with him for another year, two years, whatever. He is never going to change and he is never going to wake up one morning and confess his undying love for you.

    And to be brutally honest, I would not put it past him to just drop you one day like a hot potato and move on to another woman to bully.

    Get away! I’ll say this again, you sound like a lovely, educated woman. Don’t just settle for scumbags hon, there are nice men out there. And take your time before you fall for them.

    #776875 Reply
    T from NY

    It’s very sad when everyone outside of you can see what’s best – and yet you love someone. I mean obviously you have to love this man to share with all of us what you have and actually be asking what to do!

    Because darlin – that’s how clear all this is. He’s awful. He is not good to you. Screw him and his tumbleweed — he may not even have the capacity to love saying the things he’s said to you.

    I speak from experience. I fancied myself in love in my early twenties. He found a MILLION things wrong with me over the course of our 20 year marriage. Gawd how sad it is this forum didn’t exist for me and no one told me how much I was worth. My task was trying to make him happy every day. I FINALLY finally woke up and left him at age 41. But I’ll never get those two decades back. Don’t make the same mistake I did.

    The ONLY man worth giving your time, energy, fidelity and precious love to is the one that treats you like gold and makes the effort to grow your relationship. Please heed all this advice. And get your self some counseling to explore why you would be with that sort of man. I went. I know why I did. And I know it will never ever ever happen to me again. My next relationship was healthy and loving! I wish that for you.

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