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    Mary sheley

    We met at a dating app, arranged to meet the night after for some wine and talk. We had sex last night four times and kissed a lot. We showered together and cuddle a bit before he drove me back home. We kissed again before leaving, he wished me great week ahead and said this was his first stress free, casual hook-up where he wasn’t trying to impress the girl and that I’m very chilled, transparent and smart. He came three times before me said because I was too tight and he finds me attractive. He had a collection of books and offered to lend me one but didn’t take out of politeness. He’s very intelligent and equally knowledgeable on many interesting topics so it felt naturally to be around him and have deeper conversations. I’d love to see him again but hasn’t texted me yet and after what he said as good buy don’t want to rush or push anything cause I haven’t understood if he also liked me but I felt he enjoyed it as much. Every single time I texted the guy and expressed my excitement was taken for granted and the guy wasn’t pursuing further. Whenever I took a step back they come forward more actively. Don’t want to screw this up cause it’s been a long time to like someone for more than a hook up. Please no commentary on my lifestyle just looking for a constructive feedback on a guy’s perspective post hook up.

    #868813 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Well, I don’t do slut shaming. However, i do suggest that if you want something real, jumping into bed is not bad, but it does create a lot of confusion mixed with bonding hormones and it can send the wrong message. It is not about good or bad, it is about effective.

    You have put yourself in a wait and see position. If you want something more thAn casual:
    A. Let him lead, do the contacting and asking
    B. If he contacts you, tell him you are open to more and want to know his thoughts

    If you act casual, you get casual. That is the challenge with what you are calling your lifestyle.

    Also, based on what you said, he wants it casual. He did nothing to try to impress you, nor did he see a reason to. Again, a reason against casual behavior.

    #868815 Reply
    Mary sheley

    Yes, I think it’s smart to say wait and see, he mentioned having a toxic ex girlfriend but didn’t say he wasn’t ready for anything else. I’m thinking to invite him over at my place next Friday so I’ll have a reason to text him to casually invite him for some wine since he offered his place the first time. I also like casual and texting only to arrange a date. Do you think I should completely led him lead?

    #868820 Reply
    Zoe

    You do absolutely nothing. Sit and wait

    #868836 Reply
    Tallspicy

    You should let him lead until he is your boyfriend unless he is extremely consistent and then you can reach out once every four times he initiates. If you want a man, let him do the work, it is not a 1 for 1. Men choose you for who you are, not for what you do for them… especially before commitment. Thank you, and I had a lovely time is plenty.

    He told you that he liked the casual and Low expectations. That is exactly the same as saying he is not ready for anything. If he felt uniquely connected to you, he would have said so, and arranged to see you again or at least reach out out within 24 hours of your date. Not one of those things happened.

    I have some questions relating to your lifestyle:
    A. Is it giving you what you want?
    B. Does it leave you happy?
    C. Do you do it so you not face having to wait to see if a man is interested?

    I am not saying women cannot have sex without feelings, but clearly, you cannot. Or you would not be here.

    #868844 Reply
    T from NY

    Dating these days is tough. We’ve all been there. You wrote in for advice. People are giving it to you. Everything he said sounds like he’s only interested in casual. There is nothing wrong with that. Just like there’s nothing wrong with women sleeping with a man quickly. BUT if you want something long term, or really like a guy and don’t want JUST casual – you have to do what Tallspicy said and not act casual, or accept his treatment of you that is casual. Can’t you see that inviting him to your place to have wine is like Booty Call all day long?

    Do nothing. Don’t text. Don’t call. If he asks to see you again suggest an outing or activity that’s not a home date. And even though you’ve now put the cart before the horse, if y’all do go out, and are having a good time, ask what he’s looking for with dating. If he makes ANY excuse of not being ready, just playing it by ear – it means he’s only looking for sex and companionship. You get to decide if that’s cool with you. It doesn’t sound like it is. Going forward remember – do nothing except live your life and train yourself to only get crushes on men investing in you.

    #868848 Reply
    Erin

    “He wished me great week ahead and said this was his first stress free, casual hook-up where he wasn’t trying to impress the girl”

    You like this guy but I hope you’re not oblivious to the fact that he doesn’t like you in that way and he told you in no uncertain terms with that statement. If a guy is not trying to impress you, endear himself to you or even breadcrumbing you in the least then he doesn’t give a damn.

    The things is, men don’t even have to like you to smash you ,they just need to find you attractive at the time and when the deal is done they’re wondering how they can weasel themselves out of the situation fast.

    A guy I know once said, “after sex a man and a murderer have the same problem, what to do with the body lying next to them”

    It’s cold but that’s basically what hookups are like.

    “Yes, I think it’s smart to say wait and see, he mentioned having a toxic ex girlfriend”

    If I had a dollar for emotionally unavailable men who mention their toxic/abusive,psychotic,crazy,clingy exes as a way towards get sympathy and get laid, I’d break the bank.

    Don’t contact him, you just have to wait for the next rendezvous and maybe you can tell him your expectations in this hookup but that’s a bad idea cos the whole point of hooking up is to avoid expectations, accountability and attachments.

    #868859 Reply
    Lane

    Like the other ladies said, DO NOTHING! He is single, for a reason, and you need to be mindful that men who like, or want, to remain single there is absolutely nothing you can do or say to change his mind. A man who FEELS he’s being chased or pursued will kill any desire he *might have* had for you, instantly.

    If you take the lead, he will only you as a casual fling because he’s already told you “this was his first stress free, casual hook-up where he wasn’t trying to impress…” which in GUY CODE MEANS: “You are easy to have stress free sex with! Don’t try to get me into a relationship because I don’t want to be in one.”

    Men are very transparent, and say what they mean. You really need to carefully listen, digest, absorb it, and accept their words are true—BELIEVE THE NEGATIVES. If I wasn’t looking for casual, I would be ‘turned off’ by this behavior, and not give him the time of day unless he acts like a guy’s who wants to properly date you, and is showing a very high degree of interest of getting to know you OUTSIDE of the sheets. If not…NEXT!

    #868874 Reply
    Maddie

    “Every single time I texted the guy and expressed my excitement was taken for granted and the guy wasn’t pursuing further. Whenever I took a step back they come forward more actively. Don’t want to screw this up cause it’s been a long time to like someone for more than a hook up.”

    I don’t think you’re going to screw anything up because he was casual from the start. You’re never going to change a guy’s mind who is in a casual mindset when he meets you if he’s not looking for more.

    I don’t think your “lifestyle” as you’re calling it is the problem. It’s that you’re not establishing mutual clear communication and expectations before getting attached to these guys. If you’re only dating guys who come forward if you step back and take you for granted if you reach out, then you’re choosing the wrong guys and there’s a mismatch in what you’re both looking for right from the start (like in this case). You wrote a lot of details on specific sexual aspects that were good for him, but you can’t sex a man into a relationship. Are you mostly attracted to more avoidant or emotionally unavailable men? If so, they’re not generally going to be looking for a serious relationship, or may not be capable of giving anyone one, so that’s what I mean by choosing wrong. If a guy is looking for a more serious connection, it won’t come with confusion or game-playing. If that’s what’s happening and it’s not what you want, it’s best to move on to the next.

    #868882 Reply
    Mary sheley

    Thank you everyone for the comments, it did help gain a perspective. Only when I doubt myself I get anxious and worried and stressed about stg so simple as a hook up. I won’t pursue this guy, I thanked him in person for the good time so no point to text anything further at this point. I used to do casual flings but I’m not in that phase anymore. Just didn’t have good sex in a while and I’m glad that I had really good time with him and this is enough. I’ll take a break from dating apps and etc. To find what I really want and invest my energy elsewhere. Appreciated for the honest opinions

    #869482 Reply
    Mary sheley

    Update: his mom is in town and he’s hosting her, forgot to mention that. I am living my life ofc, I haven’t reached out to him but he hasn’t also. We were communicating on instagram which he rarely uses and told me he switched on notifications when I added him. Has been checking my stories ever since the minute I put stg- which is usually about my work publishing articles.I’m wondering if he was expecting me to contact him since I was invited over the first time, and he did offer to help me fix my tv without asking I was just not wanting to arrange anything but enjoy the moment I had with him. He told me also some personal stuff that were hard for him and showed me pictures of his mum and him when he was a kid. He wanted to lend me a book but I didn’t want to seem like I was forcing it to meet again so I thanked him politely but didn’t take. We showered together and I told him I like to feel hot water on my back and he was showering me with hot water and massaging my back for more than thirty minutes. When we were done I told him I would go home in case he wanted to sleep and asked me to stay and finish my wine with him. I offered to do a position that he would like but he said no cause I admitted it’s not a position I enjoy and propose to try stg we both enjoyed. We were kissing all the time, even in the car on the way home. I’ve done lots of hook ups, sometimes with decent guys sometimes with not so but until now none has treated me this way just for a hook up (I also rushed to leave a place if I wasn’t enjoying myself) so perhaps a second chance to host him and reciprocate wouldn’t hurt. I’m confused but I’d rather regret doing stg rather than not doing cause of old fashioned ideas on sex and dating. People get to know each other organically not by following any rules or etiquette. And yes, sex can connect two people but only if timing and energy is there. I’m sorry but he said he’s over thinking everything and gets paralyzed so I felt that as I’m exactly the same. Unless I reach out won’t find out his intentions as he might be waiting the same (it is casual to text only to arrange a date as I am full in for face to face interaction and hate texting).

    #869497 Reply
    Ewa

    no Mary he is not waiting for you to contact him, he is most likely arranging a sex date with another woman.
    he told you he didn’t have to impress you, that is not a compliment!
    Checking someone stories means absolutely nothing, I do it all the time and something I don’t even know who this person is.
    He wanted to have sex, you gave it to him, without him even having to take you out , so please accept that it was just fun.
    The things he said to you, guys do it all the time, they know what they need to say in order to lure women in. I went on a date with a guy who told me about his best friend dying, did I think he was opening up to me ? No! because I must have had at least 5 dates with different guys who told me exactly the same story.
    Do yourself a favour and stop thinking about him :)

    #869511 Reply
    Erin

    Shut it down girl. He is now living rent free in your head at this point.

    When you find yourself rationalizing or psycho-analyzing a man’s actions, you have lost the game already.

    Opening up too much, too soon about ‘troubled pasts or family stuff’ is an old move used by guys to quickly get your sympathy, to get your emotional investment and to establish a quick connection which will end with you in his bed that day. It’s a con and women still fall for it, all the damn time.

    If he can creep up on your Instagram or snap chat stories but doesn’t find time to text you or call you consistently then it means nothing, it’s just a mind game and it seems to be working.

    I’m sorry but you can no longer hookup or chill ,once you start catching feelings in any capacity then it becomes difficult.

    I once hooked up and I’ll tell you I got irritated when the guy started to text me asking about my day and how cold I was to not contact him. That’s not how hookups work and people always get it twisted and end up hurt.

    #869520 Reply
    Mary sheley

    Ofc, it’s an experience and fun. Only one thing I disagree with is that he didn’t have to lure me I approached him first on the app and he asked me to meet at his place. Yes my comment showed that I wanted to get sexual and I made the move when we got together. I don’t need a man to impress me to have sex if I already decided that there is sexual attraction. And all the nice gestures he did all were after we did it multiple times consecutively. Obviously I’m not saying that the guy got feelings for me neither that he sits and waits for me. Sometimes you gotta rely on your intuition and own judgement to assess a situation and decide what’s best for you. I’m learning lessons the hard way and for me it works best to get explicitly rejected, as it leaves me no room to over think but genuinely accept it. What is wrong to wanna hang out with a young person my age? Even if it was just hook up, I liked his company and could easily drink beer or smoke together as I told him as friends nothing sexual, ofc if he wanted to nothing forced. I’m the first to pull away and move on if I don’t get same vibes eventually and manage not to lose my enthusiasm. Yes I am naive got lonely and it single life hit harder post pandemic. Still trying to balance excession of emotions which under normal circumstances wouldn’t care much.

    #869522 Reply
    Mary sheley

    For the record, any deeper conversation we had which one thing brought to another- wasn’t out of blue sharing a sad story, happened after we had sex and we were chilling on the couch. There wasn’t any intention to go for another round so even gaining my sympathy at this point would be pointless and I even didn’t comment on it but told him to change the subject cause I didn’t want to know any personal details about his life (did find it exaggerated but okay someone showing a vulnerable side it’s not bad unless they are manipulators which I wouldn’t know just by one encounter).

    #869533 Reply
    Lane

    Mary, you are riding the oxytocin train! Sex does a number on women because of our hormones that we secrete during sex, which are the same one’s that bonds a woman to her new born baby—it’s very powerful stuff! Men don’t experience the hormones we do because they can’t give birth. They have the opposite hormonal affect that woman do, to the point they feel compelled to ‘get away’ so to bring their hormone levels back up. This is why men can have sex with multiple women without ever catching feelings for any of them! Understanding how men operate, especially when it comes to sex, will better prepare you for these types of events, such as the one you are experiencing.

    Going forward, if you truly fancy a guy then DO NOT have sex with him until he’s made it very very very clear he’s far more interested in getting to know you OUTSIDE of the sheets, than in them, as that’s how men fall in love! If you don’t care if you ever see a guy again, those are the one’s you can safely have an ONS with.

    It is perfectly fine if you want to engage in an ONS from time-to-time but you MUST have the right *expectations* if you are going to engage in it; which is, EXPECTING it to be nothing more than a romp in the hay! Don’t try to act like the ‘cool girl’ when you clearly are not. A true cool girl wouldn’t give this guy another thought because she knows how a really interested guy acts, and behaves, which is the opposite of this one. Toss this guy back in the sea, and get to know how your opposition (men) operate, as there a lot of articles on this forum that will save you from repeating the same mistakes, over, and over, and over.

    #869536 Reply
    Ewa

    ok there is no point trying to convince that he doesn’t care. You said you liked this guy , now you are saying you are ok with just having fun. You’re lying to yourself.
    Feel free to text him if you really want to, I am not sure why are you asking for advice and then completely reject everything people said on here.
    we can’t stop you from reaching out, but I am not sure what are you trying to achieve by texting him? He might even agree to meet you again if he has no other options or he might not reply. Are you prepared for both?
    let’s say you are going to meet and have sex with him again? what then? are you going to keep asking him out? Because I am sure he is not going to be reaching out to you …

    #869537 Reply
    Erin

    Mary

    You’re projecting yourself as a sexually emancipated woman who doesn’t give a damn about gender stereotypes, which means you would be also bold and smart. So why then, is this guy who didn’t do jac for you except to give you instant gratification, is still living rent free in your head?

    You should be onto the next one now, what would it take for you to just forget about this one?

    “Only one thing I disagree with is that he didn’t have to lure me I approached him first on the app and he asked me to meet at his place”

    It doesn’t matter who does the approaching really, you made it even easier for him hence he said, to quote you.

    “He wished me great week ahead and said this was his first stress free, casual hook-up where he wasn’t trying to impress the girl”

    Also, you lost the power to decide anything because you are the pursuer here.

    “What is wrong to wanna hang out with a young person my age?”

    Nothing wrong, just that this guys actions are saying he doesn’t want to contact you or hang out. Why then are you wanting to pursue him?

    “It happened after we had sex and we were chilling on the couch. There wasn’t any intention to go for another round so even gaining my sympathy at this point would be pointless”

    This triggered an emotional investment on your part, which is why you mentioned it not only once but twice and are using it to rationalize his behavior and try to psycho-analyze him.

    “I’m learning lessons the hard way and for me it works best to get explicitly rejected, as it leaves me no room to over think but genuinely accept it”

    Do you want him to reject you a second time for this to sink in.He already rejected you and he should be out of your mind by now but here you are, planning a soiree because you want to hang out again. This says you didn’t get the message the first time.

    Chances are high, if was just a one night stand for him or until he gets an itch.

    It was just sex for both of you, so do nothing, move on, forget him.

    #869553 Reply
    Mary sheley

    I love how black and white you’re viewing things, comes with experience. I apologize for wasting everyone’s time or wanting to understand sociologically and inside of my head what’s happening. Chemical reactions in my brain driving my actions obviously but there’s my own rationale behind it. I am sensitive and will not stop doing me. It does hurt but it always goes away with time. And I will go all over it again until I’m ready to change for good because I as a personality and mind had to endure all these disappointments and wrong decisions because this is what I would always do, we aren’t conditioned to know before hand how things will unfold. This only comes in retrospect having the knowledge from the experience to build resilience. It had to happen to me, the way exactly it did so I’m here now asking for advice not how I should carry myself or how to live my life. I appreciate constructive opinion but not when it comes as absolute fact. You don’t know my inner battles or insecurities or any sort of bullying that might made me feel unloved. Just a bit of understanding. I have faith and trust God that I will find my path and solution to heartache and managing expectations. Again thank you.

    #869586 Reply
    mama

    Mary,
    People are blunt here, that’s how it seems to work. People make it black and white because we only know the facts you present, and they work off of that. It’s not personal. I think most commenters are actually being fairly respectful to you. It’s difficult to hear truth, but this is a good place to get unadulterated advice. This forum does not usually coddle people’s emotions.

    No one knows the path you took to get from past to present. No one knows mine either. There are a few posters here who like to share A LOT of their own backstory but it’s not necessary. Take the info you think is helpful and work on letting go of the advice that doesn’t apply to your life/personality. It’s not personal.

    Always be yourself. But be open to advice that might help you do that in a way that isn’t damaging to you. In the end, we all want to be heard, understood, loved, and supported in a relationship or connection. You won’t always get it and these folks want to help you come out of this in a better place than you went in. So the advice you find difficult to read… maybe step away, give yourself some space, then come back to it at a later time. Maybe there is some truth there you don’t want to hear, or maybe it’s total BS. Give yourself some time to read the room.

    Hang in there friend!

    #869593 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Honey – until you learn the following things about men, life will be hard for you:

    A. Men can have sex with no connection
    B. Men can be kind on a date and want nothing more – kindness does not equal interest
    C. What men say and do in the moment – only means they mean it in the moment
    D. The only way to to know if a man wants more is IF HE CALLS YOU AGAIN AND WANTS TO SEE YOU. That is the one thing that matters.
    E. You never need to do for a man you are dating who wants to commit – especially before 4-5 dates
    F. Only when words and actions are consistent over time – then you have a match.

    #869597 Reply
    Ewa

    We don’t know your story but we want you to be loved and respected. We all want to find love / great relationships.
    And yes we do learn by making mistakes but those ladies here, their advice is usually spot on and they helped me in the past too even though I was trying to find excuses for the guys I was dating at that time. I’ve learned a lot from this forum and I no longer waste my time on men who don’t want me.
    It is easy to say things when we are not involved but like someone else said step back , give yourself some time and in a week or 2 you will agree with everything that’s been said on here 🙂

    #869636 Reply
    Padmini

    Hi, Mary,

    In all honesty: it appears as though you are the one, who is being much harder on yourself than others with an established thinking of black and white; as you requested us in advance not to judge your lifestyle.

    The various Threads on this Forum exemplify that everybody has ups and downs in his/her love life and that many others have undertaken similar behaviorisms and activities. So really nobody is in any position to judge harshly; least of all yourself on your lifestyle!

    It is all up to you what you wish to do regarding this guy. You know the full details of the situation. His statement that it was his “first stress free, casual hook-up where he wasn’t trying to impress the girl” reflects that he right now just perceives you as somebody to have a fling with.

    I have the perspective that if you must, you could try meeting him in-person one more time after his mother leaves town and he is no longer occupied. I also like closure. You could then be transparent with him that you really want something meaningful from a relationship, and he just might reconsider you. If otherwise, you will at least be able to move on with a lesson learnt.

    Good luck!

    #869748 Reply
    Mary sheley

    Thank you all. I’m confused and frustrated with myself, just don’t seem to fit well within societal norms. I want to feel loved and respected but I also don’t feel like dating or entering into a relationship. I’ve only done casual but at this moment of my life it makes me miserable. I’m not looking for anything but a natural connection with a person which I found in the past only one time but wasn’t in a very good place to handle it so I made tons of mistakes and pushed him away. I just saw him recently with his new girlfriend and it made realize what I am missing. The same day I arranged the hook up to get my mind off the other guy with whom everything just clicked from the first night and the way it was progressing our friends were making fun that we were soulmates, I’m not stupid I know when a guy is genuinely interested. But it’s exhausting looking for him in every guy I meet, I’m just not ready to go out and date so when there’s a chance I fuck around cause I feel like I won’t find someone with whom I vibed that much (and yes we slept together from first night and had already our inside jokes created so no I don’t think it matters if you sleep with the guy right away or not it just pure luck sometimes finding love). I stopped looking but I missed that feeling and no, no guy has been remotely close to that. That’s why I don’t date can’t do it, I feel awkward and without potential.

    #869805 Reply
    Ewa

    Listen I know that some relationships start with sex but it is easier because the guy is too lazy to look around or really has no other options or the woman is rich haha
    And too lazy , not fussy is not someone most women would want in their life but some women are ok with that .
    I don’t think sleeping with men would help you to forget about that other guy. I’ve done that too and I know it only makes things worse.
    What is stopping you from just going out on a date instead of sleeping around ? Go out, enjoy yourself even with men you don’t really find that attractive. You never know who you’re going to meet 🙂

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