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    Flor

    I dated this guy for two months. We met through friends. We suddenly got into an argument about something stupid, but ever since that we were just fighting a lot, for like 2 weeks. So we called it off. We tried to remain friends but it was being too hard on me because I think I had feelings for him. So I told him I needed space because it’s hard to rewire to just friendship when we never were friends before. He took this comment really bad and blocked me everywhere.
    A month past and I haven’t heard from him until last weekend I was making an event with some new friends I have been hanging out a lot lately and he asked me if he could join.
    I was feeling moved on so I let him in. Was really good to see him after so long. He first came to me a bit strong talking about the past and I told him we should for a while just focus in creating new memories and forget about those things we said or do. He agreed, seemed very happy and gave me a hug. Friendly hug. He did ask me tho, if the guy I drove with to the event was with me. He wasn’t.
    Anyhow, everyone liked him, he is a great guy so now this weekend he is also joining to the next event, that someone else from this group is organizing.
    I am worried this is going to become a norm now, because I don’t think I am as okay as I thought I was. I keep thinking about the reasons why he is coming to these events now. Is it for m e? Does he wants to retake frienship or something else? Ever since the event we haven’t talked. He is not a texted and all out fights started through misunderstandings in texting. Because of that I don’t want to text him either but I know that when a guy is interested he moves forward. There is definitely no indication of interest from his side.

    That’s the reason of my post. I don’t want to stop hanging out with this group and I wouldn’t like him to stop either, he deserves having fun too. But I know eventually he’ll meet someone or will bring someone or will flirt with someone… I just want some advice on how to prepare myself for the heartache… any tips appreciated

    Thanks! :)

    #864778 Reply
    Ess

    Shift your focus from him. Distract yourself with better things in your life. Date other guys. They say ‘fake it till you make it’, so have fun, embrace the uncomfortable situation, find a way to be okay with him seeing other people, and with time you will be fine. Sometimes you just can’t escape situations with your past lovers and it’s okay. Besides, if you completely shift focus from him, will you notice him with other people?

    #864842 Reply
    Erin

    Honey, you’re not preparing for a heartache, you’re already going through a heartache in case you haven’t noticed. Your heart is already aching with unsaid things, the past, anxiety over the future.

    I wanted to say that the biggest problem which led to your break up in the first place was miscommunication.

    People who spend 2 weeks fighting about something are not talking face to face but are texting. Texting is generally a no no when you want to talk about important things.

    You can’t be friends after a break up, no, no and no, he initially blocked you because he also had feelings for you and was hurt. You still can’t be friends now, because you still have feelings for him, sorry.

    You can’t focus on creating new memories when you have not addressed the problem which led to the breakup first. What has changed from the last time you broke up and argued?. If nothing has changed and you haven’t addressed the issue, you can’t get back together.

    Also, STOP meeting up at these ‘coincidentally convenient’ soirees and events and then you turn them in into your ‘come to Jesus’ moments. If you want to talk, to get closure or rehash the relationship, arrange a one on one meet up.

    If you really want to talk, just text him ” Hey,I just wanted you to know. If you want to talk, I’m ready when you are”

    His reply or lack or it will tell you where he stands. If it’s positive, set up a meeting and Cease and Desist from texting.

    If it’s in the negative or vague, then move on and maybe don’t attend those events, you still have feelings for him, seeing him in any capacity will cause you some pain.

    I don’t know why people do this whole thing of trying to be all vague and assuming (wrongly) what someone is thinking and then acting (wrongly) upon it.

    In my native language we say, don’t make assumptions about something when it’s there.

    #864949 Reply
    Flor

    Ess,

    I can’t do the dating other guys things until i feel i am in the right place and fully moved on this guy. That’s how it works for me. I tried once when i was moving on my ex and started seeing a guy just as a rebound and after like 2 months going on dates, the night we were going to finally sleep together, i had a break down and start crying. I won’t go thought that again. I like being honest to my own feelings. But i have exes as friends and i really hope i can be friends with him too one day.

    Erin,

    thanks for your honest words. We did talk about our argument and i think that’s when i realized how much i liked this guy, because he was very communicative and he recognized his fault and i mine and we agreed in doing better, we compromised on understanding each others feelings. But it was just like if we were so irritated all the time with each other, i don’t even know why. We didn’t even get to try what we compromised upon, we never found peace again.
    We both brought issues, he has a past in which women have been really mean to him and sometimes i feel like if he is just waiting for me to be mean to him and that makes him irritable. Makes me even wonder if they were actually so mean or it’s just his negative thoughts. And i am very impatient.
    I have been working on my issues for a month now. I bought a book about patience and another one about emotional training and I really like what i am learning. I feel much better, with less fears and that’s why i thought i was ready to see him. Acceptance and embracing uncertainty are among the things i am trying to improve.

    But this self-improvement trip i am doing is for me. i really think at this point going back together would be a mistake. He knows my flaws and would be counterproductive. He brought up last weekend something that happened in the past and i told him i don’t want to talk about it. I really think we are better off as friends if anything.

    I am just going to go to this event tomorrow and be out of the radar for a while. I guess this time i won’t warn him so he doesn’t get mad.

    BTW, those events are outdoor activities not parties. So thankfully, not alcohol involved.

    #864978 Reply
    Erin

    Flor, you seem to be mature girl who is keen on doing some self work and knows what she wants. With that kind of attitude, nothing can shake you!

    It seems like you have figured it out that you’re not ready to get back together and you both have issues to work on.

    I’m guessing nothing has changed on both your parts, from the last time you argued and broke up , still the same ideas and thoughts and beliefs. So reconciliation will not work.

    You can’t be friends, at least not know. You still have feelings and you’re not there yet.

    If it will hurt you seeing him with another girl or flirting then you need to remember the reasons you broke up, the reasons why you can’t reconcile with him and the fact that you’re working on yourself to be the best version of yourself.

    If it’s just too much, just avoid going to places you know he will be.

    #865015 Reply
    Lane

    I too cannot be insta friends with someone I was dating, or in a relationship with.

    A good long break is necessary until you reach the point of indifference. You need time to get your feet back on solid ground, so take it. I would disinvite, and disconnect from him for awhile. These are your friends, and events, so you shouldn’t be put out just because he’s bored or lonely. Let him find his own friends, events, and things to occupy his time from hereon.

    #866167 Reply
    Flor

    Well, this is the summary of the day…

    I feel he is always looking to what i do and trying to engage conversation. He brought my favourite snacks, he used to do that as surprise when we were together. I was for most of the event just friendly replying to his conversation starters by smiling and giving short answers. Then pretty much trying to stay away from him and around others. At some point i thought it was becoming too obvious and i didn’t want to hurt his feelings so at the end, we all went to have a drink and i started to ask him about things i know are happening in his life and we haven’t talked about since the breakup. I really think he is an amazing person, so generous. And i told him “i think you really are the most generous person i have ever met” That somehow triggered him on a weird way. He then started talking about me with the people next to us, on a jokingly tone but somehow felt like if he were still resentful. “Did you know what i did for Flor, this and that” and i replied to all of those things “he did, he is a great person, blah blah”
    None of the people there knew we had a past and i wanted it to remain that way, but all the sudden i felt he was making it obvious and i was trying to just make it look casual. But all his comments seems to be a way of telling me “look what you are missing out”, which is unfair because it was him who didn’t want to try again after the breakup.
    The think that just doesn’t fit is the fact that once we are apart, we don’t text and we don’t talk. He has told me multiple times he doesn’t like texting with me because it’s the start of all our arguments but the fact that he is not even curios about how i am or me at all, is just a really bad sign for me.

    I don’t know. I really think he is an amazing man and i am giving up on him out of fear of rejection. When i think with cold mind about the day, I think he really wanted to spend time with me but i kept rejecting him for the most part. I also tend to trick myself and i was thinking all the time “maybe he is talking to me because it’s easy for him and he is just trying to be inclusive in the group or to make himself noticeable for another woman” I don’t like entertaining those thoughts because they only feed my fear.

    I think i am much better now than when we broke up, although i think it’s very soon. But i think i should follow Erin’s advice and get closure and then move on for real. Sadly I can’t tell him to not to come to those events, they are public, so it will have to be me who finds the new people.

    Next event is in two weeks, I think i’ll take my time to came up with what i want and how to deal with this. Most likely i will just text him that i still miss him and take it from there… i can’t wait to this being over.

    #866268 Reply
    Erin

    Flor love, a guy who goes out of his way to show you how much he’s moved on, how happy he is and how much you are missing, is a man who is NOT over you! Happy people don’t have to prove anything to anyone, they’re so busy being happy not busy trying to look happy.

    A guy who calls dibs on you publicly the way he did and trying to monopolize your time is not over you.

    Like I said in my other post , stop turning these soirees into a walk down memory lane. Miscommunication played a major role in your breakup, don’t make the same mistakes again.

    I think you do need to talk, not to get back together but to just let it all out, there a lot of unsaid things between you two given from your interactions.

    Just send a simple “Hey, I just feel we should clear the air about what happened in the past. If you want to talk, I’m ready when you are” or something like that. If he agrees meet up, Stop texting please for the love of god.

    If he doesn’t respond or brushes you off, just say your peace and unburden yourself of this anxiety.

    If you don’t want this option then you need to step away from the situation and try not to bump into him or talk to him. I think it’s really confusing you now and making you sad again so the good thing would be to avoid being in situations where you see him or meet.

    He also sounds like he has some avoidance issues, like he doesn’t like confrontations or facing things head on or being in conversations which require emotional engagement.

    #866271 Reply
    Erin

    Please address the past issues before going into ‘I miss yous’, don’t try to brush them under the carpet. Also leave the deep, sentimental talks for when you meet up. Texting can cause misunderstandings esp when you talk about serous stuff

    #866293 Reply
    Flor

    Hello Erin,

    thanks for your answer. I really am confused and i am ready to step out of this rollercoaster and let him go. He mentioned something i said i was going to do with him kind of “Flor told me this and she havent done it”. So i thought it would be a good way to get some time alone with him and talk things out. So i texted him if we still wanted i would love to show him that. and he replied thanks, don’t worry, it’s okay.

    To me this speaks pretty loud his intentions and i am not going to go behind him nor as friends not nothing. I’ll spend the summer doing other things and this will just be a training for being stronger one day. It will hurt a few days but i’ll be fine.

    #866318 Reply
    Erin

    Flor, you have such good resolve and strength, something most of us lack in these relationships when they fall apart, we can’t see the forest for the trees.

    It would have been preferable if texting about the future plans or anything to do with your past was kept to a bare minimum and y’all met up instead, but it seems that is out of the picture, at least for now.

    At the end of the day, you’re choosing the high road, which is facing problems head, taking responsibility for past actions and working on self improvement, while he’s choosing to be passive aggressive at every turn ,at the end of the day you don’t want an immature guy in your life.

    You’re clearly at different stages so I guess you both need to do some individual growth and see where it takes you. You might even start liking other guys as well pretty soon.

    #866353 Reply
    Flor

    Thank you Erin,

    you really say nice things which make me feel good. I don’t think i am mature at all, my lack of patience made me rush things and push things which triggered some of our arguments. Those i can’t take back but it’s the hard way to learn, hopefully next guy in my life i won’t go through the same.
    It is also very easy to say here that this is what i am going to do, but let’s see. For as long as he doesn’t text me i will be fine. If he ever contacts me again, i’ll make sure to come here before i take any action… :)

    The more i think about this weekend and his sudden reaction of not wanting to hang out one on one, i think maybe he just likes having women’s attention and mine was easy to get. That’s the problem when you start dating someone that you really don’t know around others. Anyhow… thanks for all your words and chin up! :)

    #874139 Reply
    Flor

    Hello! :)

    I thought i update you on this a bit out of courtesy because you really gave good advice.
    I thought it was a good idea to use Erin’s advice. I texted him that i felt sometimes still there was some resentment when we talk that maybe we should clear the air. He was soooo rude kind of “i don’t know what type of feelings you have but i don’t feel i need to talk about anything and i don’t have any resentment. I then asked him, nicely, if he wouldn’t mind then stop saying things about the past in front of others because its hurtful and uncomfortable, he didn’t reply.
    But then he asked for a ride to the event… and it felt like hell, all i could think was “this guy really thinks i am crazy about him and can use me whenever he can”. So i told him that. Then we fought and believe me, there was A LOT of resentment, but at least i am glad he left it out.
    Days past and i went on a really really good date. I met this incredible nice guy, so sweet, so not argumentative. But i knew i wasn’t fully moved on so i asked him if we could take things slow and he agreed (now i am very regretful of that, because i would really like him to make a move and we are in a weird limbo)

    In order to fix things and because we were going to meet again soon, i send a calm text apologizing and where i apologized and took part of the responsability. I agreed i wasn’t fully moved on, but almost, but that i was commited to let him go. That i was aware that we weren’t a match, that we should have known each other a bit more before getting together because we both would have realized we have incompatible characters. I told him i am angry because what’s left doesn’t fill me as friend, that i miss talking to him like we used to before.
    He replied still with some resentment that he feels that when i talk i hurt him and don’t respect him and that’s why he prefers not talking to me.
    I told him i have an ex as friends, with whom i used to fight a lot too, and that it took us years and dating other people to trully be able to consider each other friends. I told him maybe until we reach that point, we should minimize contact.
    He didn’t reply

    I was going on a second “date” with the new guy (he basically came to an event with my friends) and as i am getting out of my car, i get a text from the ex saying that he also misses talking to me and this and that other thing we used to do. And that just changed my mood for the date. It just left me in a weird state of mind. I needed time to process those feelings and i think i was kinda cold with the new guy.
    When i got home, i replied, kindly just making clear it was only going to be friendship. But i still was kind of confused about my feelings and thought it was a good idea to hold until seeing him during the weekend. And when i saw him, there was nothing AT ALL left in my heart. He was kind of nice to me, surprisingly, he brought me something he made for me to try. Kind of like in the movies, when the organizer pair us all up, he put us together >< and we manage to do pretty well I think. He is volatile for sure, he went in a few non-kind attitudes that weekend that made me even feel more sure about my choice… and by the end of the day i was drunk texting the new guy. I really think i like him and that will make for another post, that i may or may not do, because i am not sure if he is not making a move because he lost interest or because i asked him to go slow, but it’s being a week since we last saw each other and there is no date in schedule… we’ll see, i am still not panicking but close :)

    thanks for reading my memoir!

    #874162 Reply
    Raven

    First: The guy is a lunatic…

    Second: When you are on a date, keep your Dog damned phone in your purse or turned off! 100% of your attention should be on the date.

    Third: When you tell a guy you want to go slow, it means you’re not interested… Just slow things down on your end.

    Fourth: The guy is a lunatic.

    #874358 Reply
    Erin

    Hey Flor

    Now that this guy has shown you exactly where you stand it’s time to cut him loose completely. His 15 minutes of fame are over.

    He has shown that he can not have a decent adult conversation without being rude or childish i.e poor communication skills. He has also shown you that he is not a nice person at all and blows hot and cold with you. Whatever is going on with him has nothing to do with you at this point.

    As for this new guy i think it’s unfair that you are seeing him while you are still resolving stuff with your crazy ex. He doesn’t need to be caught in that drama.

    Either let him go before you hurt him by being emotionally unavailable or cut off your ex in every facet and decide if you want to see this new guy.

    #874438 Reply
    flor

    Raven,

    The guy is coo coo, but poor thing not a lunatic. Definitely not boyfriend material. At least not for me.
    I was driving when i got the text and it shows in the screen of my car, i couldn’t help it. it was really bad timing.

    You really leave me thinking now, because there are so many rules in american dating that i don’t get… i didn’t want to friendzone this new guy, but now i am trapped! because i don’t want to make a move and look desperate. I was a bit nervous with where things were between us because i felt he was distant and less responsive but the last couple days all went back to normal, he wakes me up with good mornings and we chat during the day. Still haven’t spoken about a date. So i am not sure where things are. And i don’t want to scare him away with proposing him plans. There is an event i am plannig for next weekend that he wanted to come so maybe i’ll see how things feel then.

    Erin, it took me 1h of talking with the new guy to realize what i need and want. He same as I, make a lot of fun of ourselves. I joke about myself a lot and then i usually make some jokes about the other person but nicely. With the ex, those jokes were always a drama and he always felt insulted and irritable. I couldn’t be myself around him. With this new guy we laugh a lot and make fun of each other nicely, we joke a lot. It’s just different.

    With the ex, we like the same things and have the same life goals but we just don’t get along. He is irritable and volatile. Talks a lot and never listens. Makes things to feel appreciated and needs to be said he did well.
    The new guy likes spending his free time on different ways than me, but that in the past was never a deal breaker for me. We can do our thing and some things together. He is sweet, listens. He is non confrontational. He tells you the things he knows but never feels bad if you choose to do otherwise. He just has an amazing kind personality.

    All i need now is a way of getting him to know i am romantically interested and not just looking for a friend! Because i tend to fall into the past if the present fails, and that scares me a lot… i really don’t want to go back to the past. :)

    #875643 Reply
    Flor

    Well…it seems new guy won’t work either. We were exchanging texts and I got the opportunity to bring up my concerns because I had the feeling things weren’t moving.
    Long story short we met online, 4 weeks ago went on a date and it went very well, I asked him to take things slow he agreed. The following two weeks we didn’t go ok dates but he just came hang out to two outdoor events I go every week. He kissed me last time. But since then it’s only being texts. He writes me good morning every morning but we haven’t met again for the last 10 days.
    Then today he said something and I asked if he was joking or trying to y
    Tell me something. He said he liked me but he didn’t know where do we stand and that he still goes to the app. Nothing serous but he still goes on dates…
    I told him that’s normal and me top and that I think that if he would have seen me as something else than just a friend he would have asked me already out on a date. He said he is usually slow but that I am probably right because he haven’t made the move to ask me out again. I wished him good luck, deleted his texts and phone because I don’t trust myself…
    I have also deleted the dating app and I won’t use it again until I am fully moved on. I shouldn’t have. I feel it always backfires me. Now I am worried I’ll feel lonely and i’ll miss my volatile ex. Now it’s when I am to prove myself my self-care by just taking time to for real to just take care of myself and feel good. I am feeling really down today. I feel like love is not on the cards for me and that when finally I thought a good guy was going to get interested on me, I am back to square 0…

    #875858 Reply
    tammy

    you don’t have to meet or date either of these men. the ex is ex for a reason. and this guy you just went on a date with, just once! despite meeting casually thereafter, things just dint flow. that’s ok. that’s what most of us go through. i think your feeling low bec you wish you had someone and not necessarily your missing this second guy or the ex. at times like this either i socialise or try some different workouts or make new friends or visit family. cook up stuff. try new diets. catch up on some web series that i wanted to check out. so many things. take your mind of men or relationships. do other stuff. and when you feel refreshed you can try dating again.

    #876030 Reply
    Flor

    Thanks Tammy, I agree with you. That’s exactly why I deleted the app. I feel like more than liking this guy I wanted to like him. Because I am ready for a nice guy instead of the nice but damaged elements I tent to feel attracted to. I need to put the focus on myself again and hopefully be more good guy worthy. :)

    #876212 Reply
    Lane

    Flor, after reading this, you aren’t in a good mindset, and really should take a guy break.

    Stop talking to Mr. Psycho. Seriously, he’s not a guy you should be ruminating about but one you should be blocking, avoiding, and ignoring at all cost. There’s no resentment here, he’s just the type of guy who should be wearing a warning label “I’m unstable!” You are not his keeper, not his therapist, heck not even a friend so I’m not really sure why you are so hell bent on keeping him in your life?

    Are you drawn to psycho bad boys? I’m only asking because a stable, self assured, and confident women wouldn’t engage with a-holes.

    #876384 Reply
    tammy

    the past is not serving you well in the present. and it may very well play spoilsport for your present and future if you continue to allow it to mess up your head. block both the men. cut off the past which is not serving you well and just ruining your future chances. forget men and dating. just focus on self. learn to live and enjoy life as a single with family and gud friends. work on self. do things that make you happy and make you feel gud. step back into dating when you feel free from the past. and this time set some good boundaries.

    #876487 Reply
    Erin

    Flor

    If it didn’t work out with either guy then maybe you should take some time out of the whole dating scene.

    I find that nature heals a lot and gives clarity when you’re in a funk.

    When I was struggling with relationships issues or general issues, i used to wake up in the morning and and go for walks and just breath and think about what I really wanted in my life.

    Or I’d do it before the sun set. If there’s a beach or river the better. It calmed me down a lot and cleared the fog in my head.

    I came to realize that dating apps is where I wasn’t supposed to be directing my energy, I needed to direct it towards myself and not on the next swipe or who could or couldn’t be the next best person. When you’re not in a good space the rejection, fading, flaking, rinse and repeat which comes with dating apps starts to take its toll on you and adds to your anxiety.

    It’s okay to check out of dating from time to time and reconnect with yourself

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