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    Vera

    Hi,
    I’ve been with this man for just over 6 months . I made it clear from the start I’m looking for a long term relationship with the right person that leads to marriage . He is separated and has 2 kids . I tried many times to break free as I thought these were red flags, but time and time again he has stepped up and he’s been the best man to me. He said at the start he’s open to getting married again if it’s with right person.
    I have no concerns about his divorce . The papers are filed. There is zero emotional residual attachment to his ex .
    He is 100 percent with me emotionally and we have been vulnerable with each other and our relationship is quite strong .

    However . Whenever the subject of future comes up he has been saying he doesn’t know what he wants , it’s too soon to tell etc .
    Recently he told me that he still doesn’t know if he wants to marry me , it’s too soon etc etc . Note I didn’t ask him this directly at all. It almost came out of nowhere . He then started saying that he thinks marriage isn’t necessary for a good lifelong relationship and asked me if I would be ok with that if the person I’m with gives me everything I want otherwise and is the best partner to me (phrased as a hypothetical but clearly it’s about him). I said no I want to be married and I wouldn’t be happy . Yet he seems to think I would change my mind . I said to him , well clearly you don’t want to be married so just say it so I can make a proper decision. Then he gets scared of losing me and says no no I’m open to it with the right person .
    The right person ? We have together over 6 months and it feels like a punch in the gut .
    Help! What do I do ?

    #930503 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    I remember you posted about this guy a couple times before. The advice people (including myself) gave was to end it. He’s not even divorced. People need time to process and heal after a divorce, no matter how little emotional attachment they may have with their ex. It’s still a huge life event, and there are children involved, so it’s going to be something he will need to heal from.

    This guy has made it clear he’s hesitant, if not unwilling, to marry again. He tells you what you want to hear so you don’t end it with him. I’m sure he enjoys having your company as a buffer to his divorce– sorry to sound harsh, but it’s true. It makes it a lot easier to get divorced if you have an emotional buffer. So he is not going to outright say something to make you dump him. But he’s made it very clear to you that he’s not interested in marriage, either. At any rate, even if he were open to marriage eventually, it will most likely take him years to get there.

    So if you choose to stay in this situation, get more emotionally attached, and not get what you want, it’s on you.

    #930505 Reply
    Vera

    Thanks that’s helpful.
    Just one thing – that person I posted about last year was a different person who got divorced while we were together (no kids) but his Behaviour showed he kept me at a distance .
    This is someone else ! I know , I should have learned . And believe me I tried to get rid of him but he kept pursuing me and I fell for him .
    Thanks for your advice

    #930506 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Oh wow, okay. Well, he’s made it clear he’s not enthused about marriage. And he has a lot of baggage, with the divorce. And like I said, he’s not going to say anything to make you dump him as I’m sure he enjoys your company and attention. So he’ll keep you on the hook for as long as he can. I think you should look out for your best interest- you deserve a guy who is enthused about marriage with you, not someone who is unwilling.

    #930508 Reply
    Dex

    Sound advice, liz lemon! Honestly, a ton of people simply don’t know this because they are never told/ it doesn’t come up until it does. I feel like if every person who was new to dating knew what you just said re: divorce and separation a lot of heartache would be saved!

    Yes we all hear at some point “don’t be the rebound” but I think it never translates to actual situations so people don’t even realize they are a placeholder/buffer until it’s too late.

    Well said!!

    #930511 Reply
    Raven

    Vera, you’re probably not going to like what I say…

    Your last two relationships have been with separated, soon be divorced, emotionally unavailable men…

    What is it about these guys that draws you in?
    Are you sure you are emotionally available?

    #930513 Reply
    Maddie

    Fully agree with everything Liz has said (far more succinctly than what I’m going to add lol).

    In regards to red flags. First, anyone approaching a relationship with the expectation you’ll change your mind about something / they’ll make you change your mind… THAT is a HUGE red flag. Dating potential over reality always sets both of you up for failure!

    The other thing about red flags and divorce (and sometimes even for normal breakups): I found that the reasons for the divorce, the person’s emotional maturity level in processing the failure of the marriage, and how they approach relationships (in their own minds) to begin with to be incredibly important. These areas are what create red flags, not the surface level facts of being separated / divorced or having kids. Someone without good relationship skills and with unresolved intimacy issues, for example, will need a long time to get over a divorce and be more likely to be looking for a buffer placeholder without even realizing it! They not only have to mourn the divorce and move forward with redefining themselves after big life transitions, they often also have to choose to deal with their pre-marriage baggage that maybe contributed to the marriage not working out in the first place. So even if enough time passed to be over the ex, or they like you and wish they were ready, that doesn’t mean they can show up for a new serious commitment.

    Beyond all that, if you’re getting pushback on something non-negotiable for you, you’re not in the same life stage nor looking for the same things right now. That’s what’s most important here. Again, date what’s in front of you, not potential.

    And remember that, even though it feels bad, it’s not about you! 6 months generally isn’t much time to be sure about marriage for anyone, but he’s not even really saying he has doubts about you. He has doubts about marriage. Because he’s not over the failure of it and the complicated transition it forces and financial / legal complexities, and he is still scared to go through that again. But you have no idea how long it will take him to heal from that, or even if he will. He doesn’t even know what life looks like on the other side of this divorce yet, of course he’s not committing to the idea of another marriage right now.

    If your gut tells you he’s not ready (which his actions and words also tell you at this point), you don’t need to wait for him to realize it and say it out loud in order to decide what’s best for yourself. Don’t disrespect yourself in the relationship by making the decision fully dependent on him and leaving it all in his hands.

    #930519 Reply
    tammy

    agree with Liz. and also raven. i once dated a guy for a bit. he told me he was divorced. but after a short time he said hes sorry and that hes going thru a divorce. and that things are amicable and there is no bad blood. he has a son and the son chose to stay with his dad. he told me i needn’t worry since he has full time help who takes care of his house. anyways once his divorce came through he never talked about marriage. turns out he just didn’t feel emotionally ready to tie himself down in another marriage after getting free. after that episode i do not date men who are recently divorced, separated or in the midst of a divorce. thats a deal breaker for me. i think you need to consider what raven said. why wld you date a man undergoing divorce when you just broke up with one?

    #930534 Reply
    Dex

    Tammy, what happened to you was literally exactly what I’m talking about in my earlier post.

    The whole “oh yeah we’re divorced” but come to find out later they are only SEPARATED, or, just straight-up married, not separated, still living together etc and just flat-out lying so they can cheat and that’s their excuse for the wife/kids/photos everywhere…

    To be clear to anyone reading- the separated thing is still a red flag. They could still be living together. They could not even or barely be separated at all and he’s just saying that. They could remain that way for years. He may re-think things or go back. Regardless, tons of unresolved feelings even POST paperwork truly being filed on a divorce.

    Just don’t! Tammy, not trying to lecture you at all, just trying to illustrate and help readers out there be saved from future heartache. I wish everyone knew this. I said folks new to dating but really it applies to everyone dating age and up, regardless of how long you’ve been in the game.

    #930545 Reply
    tammy

    dex noone is lecturing anyone. we just share our views based on our thinking and experiences. yeah i totally agree with you on that separated tag. i ask a guy when he says hes separated. is he divorced or just separated? i do not entertain men if they are separated, going thru a divorce or recently divorced. who wants all the complications, emotional attachments with such obviously unavailable men. coming to your case, i think you need to be sure you guys are on the same track in terms of the future. he doesn’t seem too inclined for marriage.

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