Is it really true that men don't like independent women? He left me?


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    Cassidy

    I am a woman in my early 20s, and I’d like to consider myself quite independent. I grew up in a house with five brothers and a construction worker father, so naturally, they taught me a lot of skills to be self-sufficient. I pride myself in being able to take care of myself, not that I mention this to men I date, but I always thought independence was a good trait to have.

    I thought my most recent boyfriend, who is now my ex, appreciated the fact that we could build things together (he’s also in construction) as I’ve helped in on a lot of projects at home that he likes to do. But eventually, he broke up with me and not too long after, started dating a very mutual friend. I was so hurt and shocked and yeah, I might have pestered him about it. He got frustrated and finally told me that while he admired how sufficient I am, he felt often pressured around me. What he said next is what really hurt. Apparently, he felt like he was dating a male version of himself and that his new girlfriend was different because she had her own set of interests entirely – fashion I think?, but made him feel special because she allows him to take care of her. I shouldn’t have kept pressing if I didn’t like the answers, but amongst other things was that he preferred her more feminine style, which was when I cut it off because that was enough for me.

    I was confused because I didn’t feel like I ever rejected him from taking care of me. I constantly reiterated that I appreciate the things he does around the house and taking me and dinner and such. I really thought he admired my work ethic and independence which is why we worked so well together. He’s even said on more than one occasion that he liked how our interests meshed so well and we were like a team, then all of a sudden, he falls for a girl just because she’s more feminine and gives him the need to protect her?

    I guess I just don’t get it. I hope my next boyfriend will feel differently.

    #929168 Reply
    mama

    It’s not about independence. People like to feel needed or wanted by their partner.

    I’m sorry you are hurting. It sounds like you each want and need something else in a partner. You need someone stronger, and he needs someone weaker. That’s okay — you need different things. You are in your early 20s and this is stuff we learn about ourselves in that decade.

    I hope you take some time to heal, and appreciate yourself for who you are.

    #929170 Reply
    T from NY

    I agree with mama. But I also think you’ve just learned a very hard, very true lesson. There are so many weak men out there. In my experience most need to feel needed or want to be bossed around. I am a lot like you in that I am independent and want a true partner. I take care of business and have no need to be overly reliant on my boyfriends or treat them like the hired help. I never, ever hurt for male attention (sex, suitors) but I have struggled finding a man that can meet and partner with me.

    Im sorry if this doesn’t seem solace, but what I will say are two things – What’s meant for you will NOT pass you by. I believe that with all my heart. Trust the universe. And of course continue to be YOU. Trust your own inner voice. There is no other option. I’m sorry you are hurting. It will get better. And you will see – that although your heart seems broke now – he isn’t good enough for you. Down the road you will NOT wish him back.

    #929172 Reply
    Maddie

    Don’t twist up and change who you are because you got feedback from one guy who is not exactly looking for an equal partner. His opinion is very subjective. It’s one thing if you get feedback that you were treating someone poorly or disrespectfully or inconsistently. That’s something people should probably take note of and take to heart (assuming it’s true feedback). But something like this is about fit and compatibility, and not about your value or appeal at all. He wasn’t the right fit for you. No one is the bad guy (well, aside from it not being classy that he quickly moved on to date your friend), and there’s no reason to question yourself here. You’ll meet someone who appreciates you for you and wants the same kind of relationship you do. It may not be soon, as you are young and the comments above that there are many weak men around are correct, but good matches are out there.

    #929189 Reply
    AngieBaby

    This is why men don’t like to answer questions about why they don’t want to see a woman anymore – they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

    Please don’t feel hurt over this. You actually got extremely valuable feedback and it was decent of him to be honest.

    From my perspective, it isn’t about “independence” or being “stronger” or “weaker”, it’s about the feeling and energy a man gets around you. In this case he was looking for a softer feeling. If you Google and read about masculine energy and feminine energy you will get the idea.

    I got similar feedback from a few men in a few years back and I didn’t feel hurt, I felt curious so I did research on the internet and read books. I went to a live seminar that a dating coach put on. I learned a lot and shifted my style a little bit without altering who I am and it has really helped me attract the right kinds of men.

    I was kind of a tomboy growing up and I work in a heavily male field. What I learned is I’ve assimilated a lot of male behaviors that are helpful in the workplace but not in the romantic relationship arena. I didn’t realize how much of a guy I was being. I learned to park the dude stuff at the office and be softer in my personal life and it’s been a great. It’s funny to say but I had to learn to “enjoy being a girl” again and what that meant. For me it was about being more receptive and not so active all the time.

    I want to emphasize, I am still ME and I did not go into this process to “fix” or alter myself. I’m extremely grateful to the men who gave me the feedback that helped me see through their eyes how I was presenting and how they were experiencing that.

    I’m a great believer in using language carefully because it creates and also that what you think about is what you get. I have not experienced that there are a lot of weak men out there. I think there are a lot of men out there and only a certain subset will be my type. What you get in your life is a mirror of you. If you find you’re getting certain feedback or you’re having similar experiences, the person to look at is yourself. Not to blame, but to understand your beliefs and patterns.

    There is nothing wrong with you and there are plenty of good guys out there. Remember, all you need is ONE!

    I’d encourage you to put aside feeling hurt. This man wasn’t trying to hurt or insult you. Consider what he said objectively and decide if you want to do anything about it or not. Whatever you decide is fine.

    Wishing you the best as you go forward.

    #929199 Reply
    Dexie

    Agree with a lot of the advice here. What I second:

    -“most men want to feel needed or they want to be bossed around.” Never heard that but yes definitely witnessed that tons of times and no, sorry, not good enough for me. Because the bottom line is, those men, like lots of women, usually have no idea what they want, so they just latch onto whatever anyone else is doing. Again, not good enough for me.
    -“don’t change yourself for a man, no matter what”- YAS. ALWAYS. If you go through life just changing everything about yourself just to get a man to pay attention to you your neediness will shine through like it’s written in skywriting and when they drop you you’ll be nothing but hurt and confused.
    -paraphrasing here, but there was the bit about “men not liking masculinity in a girl/bring out your girly/feminine side”

    Ok so that’s a big one- but here’s the thing. Yes I’ve seen that over and over. BUT- my question to you is- do you want to change yourself just for a man? I’ve totally met women who may be brainwashed, granted, but who genuinely like “girly” things, but stifled them like crazy in the name of “being strong” or “how to be taken seriously” or “growing up” or whatever bill of rights they were sold. (I know I’m majorly overly simplifying here but stay with me). Well, when some of those women learned men actually like that, and therefore became “feminine” again- well that’s a lot more likely yield positive results because it at least came from a place of authenticity. In other words, if you love makeup or fashion, but stifled it because of someone else’s f***ed up reasons why you “should” stifle it, then by all means bring those interests right back! But I’m a big believer in don’t just act feminine to win a man- if you hate skirts and heels or “letting him care for you”- then don’t do those things. A woman who unabashedly enjoys herself and knows what she wants- *thats* ****ing sexy, to any man. I promise you this.

    You’re young, you’ll get this, just ask yourself what you’d do if no one else cared- it will change your life, I promise. Living by whatever everyone thinks you should do is like tiptoeing through life just to make it safely to death. Don’t tiptoe! Be yourself!

    Good luck and always, have compassion for yourself, past and future. Let us know how it goes and you can always come back and post here if you need help!

    Hugs and thanks to anyone still reading this far:)

    -Dex

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