Was I just a rebound? Did he love her more than me?


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    Jo

    I know it doesn’t matter anymore. I’m in no contact and will stay no contact forever but with the quarantine and everything I just keep wondering. Here’s my story:

    My ex was with this girl for about 9 months (his first girlfriend). He even “almost” cheated on her once when she was on a three-month trip (he told me this in an attempt to tell me it was hard for him to stay faithful to her but that he didn’t feel that way toward me but it only made me anxious). The girl’s mother made them break up, saying he wasn’t well-off enough and his daughter was at an age to get married (she was only 22!!!) We were friends for about 4 years in college and we started dating about 6 or 7 months after his break up. They were not in contact and he had even blocked her because she wanted to stay in contact and meet in secret but he said there was no point in doing so. Before even one month into us dating he was scrolling through folders and he was showing me some pictures and I saw a folder of pictures with the name of his ex. When I mentioned it, he told me he didn’t even know if it was there and deleted the folder even when I told him it wasn’t necessary and he told me why would I even need them?

    We dated for about 3 and a half years and we were pretty serious. We intended on getting married (he was the one who was keen on the idea of getting married and having children) and everything, his family loved me and really wanted us to end up together but we had a lot of fights towards the end of the relationship. Sometimes he’d say things that weren’t exactly nice and made me insecure, I’d constantly ask for more of his time and reassurance which annoyed him. He said he was depressed and had suicidal thoughts but refused to seek treatment all the while talking about starting a family with me which made me have anxiety…Oh and once after 3 years of dating, during one of our fights his ex came up and I asked him if he was completely over her, he said of course he was. He told me she was going on that three month trip to Italy she had given him her empty perfume bottle so that he would smell it every time he missed her and be reminded of her. He told me that he had even thrown that empty perfume bottle away when he was moving to his new apartment. The thing that struck me was whether he had knowingly kept that empty perfume bottle all along or if he had found it when he was moving. And if he had kept it all along why tell me about it and why throw it away when we were in our worst state in the relationship and kept having fights. He also asked me to stop asking questions like that and putting ideas into his head. (I know he had thrown away some t-shirts she had brought for him from Italy).
    Anyways, after many fights, he broke up with me, blamed me for the whole thing and kept asking me to sleep with him even though I had told him that doing so would only hurt me since I had feelings for him and wanted a relationship. Sometimes I think maybe it’s my fault he even dared propose such a thing because when he was breaking up with me in addition to all the stupid things I said I asked so is this the last time we kissed and slept together and he said it didn’t have to be. We met a few times after that. I was confused. I wanted him to talk about the confusing things he had told me, that he had missed me and wanted to see me but he was not much of a talker so I kinda seduced him, we kissed but I didn’t let him go much further than that. We were supposed to talk once more. I had made him promise not to make a sex move on me when I got there and he did it. He kinda forced himself on me that day and it was reeeaaally confusing because I wanted it. I had even shaved just in case, I could have run away when he started but all I did was press my legs together and asked him repeatedly not to. I don’t really know if it counts because it’s really what I wanted deep down and I was there! I just knew that it wasn’t the right thing to do for me and that’s why I said no. Neither of us could stay away for long after the break up and we would contact each other one way or another (he mostly did so for sex). We even got back together once but didn’t last over a week. He told me the reason why he kept asking me to sleep with him was because he couldn’t stay away. He had promised not to even think about anyone if I took his offer. He later told me the reason why he had made such an offer was maybe if we went through with it we’d find out that we’re practically back together and we can avoid all the faults. I slipped twice and succumbed to his requests, not because I had believed him, because I missed him but generally didn’t accept it.

    This went on for seven months. He told me the crush he had on his ex and the love he had for me were never gonna be repeated again and he was never gonna feel that way toward anyone else. He told me his feelings for her were intense and they faded as quickly as they appeared but that his love for me was like an elevator and that I would always be the love of his life. Once he told me he had this fantasy of raping me and knocking me up so that then we would have to get married which was even crazier than it sounds! He was the one who had broken up with me, he knew I wanted a real relationship but he told me I wanted the circumstances to be in such a way that wouldn’t give me a choice. He repeated his “offer” more than once during the week we got back together. When I laughed it off and thought he was joking he said that I wasn’t brave enough to take that step to save our relationship and as stupid as I was I wasn’t stupid enough to do so. He also told me he had this fantasy of killing me and then being hung for it, anything that would bind us together for good. I rejected his sex offers so many times that he eventually withdrew and told me he wanted to move on and told me the fact that I contacted him was selfish!

    Then six months after last time he asked me to come over to his place he got married to his ex. He was also very good and loving to me most of the times but there were times during the relationship and many times after the relationship like I just described that he was just not normal. I don’t know if it’s because I brought out a bad side in him and that he didn’t love me enough or if it is really who he is. Do you think he’ll treat his wife the same sooner or later? Even if he has loved her all along?

    #852600 Reply
    Kathy

    This man is very unstable… Yes, he is going to be unstable with her. No doubt about it!

    #852603 Reply
    Jo

    Kathy, so you think it’s more about taking what he had for granted and wanting what he can’t have and being bored easily? It doesn’t necessarily mean that he was in love with her all along or that he loved her more than he loved me?
    I know this guy is no good for me and it’s not like I’m gonna let him back into my life or even talk to him ever again. I just wanna know if I was fooled for three and a half years straight or that when he told me those things (like the fact that he was infatuated with her and his feelings for her faded quickly or that I was the love of his life) were true at the time he said them.

    #852607 Reply
    Maddie

    You didn’t do anything to cause this. He was always this way. He has deep issues and they’ll be on repeat for whoever he is with because he’s doing nothing to address them. It doesn’t feel this way now, but you’re lucky to get out and luckier that you didn’t have children together. He’d be an awful father and partner. And frankly, he sounds very emotionally abusive.

    As soon as he said he has had a lot of trouble staying faithful in the past, that’s when he was inadvertantly warning to run away. He was telling you who he is, and that he sees cheating if he really feels like it as an acceptable way to deal with his relationship issues instead of finding healthier ways to resolve them. He sees his relationships as about him and how his feelings react rather than taking the partner into consideration too, and this is bad news. Never believe a guy who tells you you’re an exception and unlike other women and past experiences like this, because HE is responsible for his own behavior not you. If he’d said and shown you he’d done the work to change and has since matured and learned better coping mechanisms and conflict resolution skills and grew out of cheating, that may be okay. But “she made me feel like cheating and you don’t…” that’s just really bad news. Mature adults, those ready for the things he was promising, know no one “makes” them feel anything except for themselves and take responsibility for their actions — which everything in your post indicates he does NOT.

    You need to reclaim your self-esteem and healthy boundaries. Why were you falling deeper for a man who is inconsistent, who guilted you when you expressed your need to spend time together, who wanted to downgrade you to effectively a FWB, who triangulated you against his ex, who future-faked you, who you felt insecure around, who you let blame you for his issues? I know the answers to these because I’ve been there, and the way out was for me to focus on myself starting with questions like these. They have answers if you’re willing to introspect and explore them without worrying about him, and untangling them will help you move on, understand that you deserve more, and choose healthier partners.

    I am sorry you were in this situation and are hurting, but I’m also glad you got out of it. I honestly feel bad for his now wife, who probably doesn’t entirely know what she’s in for.

    #852609 Reply
    Maddie

    To answer your question, he’s totally reactive. Sounds like he just says whatever he’s feeling at the time. There’s no consistency because his identity is so unstable. I bet he believes himself in the moment and means what he says, but none of it matters because he has so many issues.

    You can try looking up “object constancy.” Many people with severe emotional instability lack it, which is why it can feel like they’re always changing, maybe lying, and most of all confusing you so badly. That may help you understand, but please focus on yourself not why he did what he did. He’s difficult for you to understand because he’s got distorted and unhealthy thoughts and behaviors. Again, that’s not your fault in any way.

    #852634 Reply
    Lane

    He’s not hear to speak for himself, so I’m going to address your issue. You are way too co-dependent! You are abandoning yourself to hold onto him as if your life depends on it. Your co-dependency and insecurities will suffocate, and exhaust, every romantic relationship if you continue to demand men fill your incessant need to be validated and loved.

    Love comes from within. When you love yourself, you don’t have a compelling need to make others love you, it comes naturally. The fact is, you live in the past to the point it eats, tears apart, and destroys your future. I don’t know your backgrounds but the two of you are a square peg, and a round hole—your love languages don’t match, and are not compatible, in a way a couple needs to make it over the long haul.

    Life is teaching you some lessons. The lesson here is to stop trying to fix him when you have a whole lot of inner fixing to do too. I know you’re hurting, and struggling but you will continue to get hurt, and struggle, if you don’t tackle the areas that leads you to this point. Until you learn how to become a “independent woman”, you should refrain from dating, or being in a relationship, because you will just end up repeating the same patterns. Break the pattern now.

    #852637 Reply
    Emily

    If it doesn’t matter, why are you posting such a long, detailed post?

    #852641 Reply
    Raven

    By holding on to this, you’re torturing yourself… Misery is optional.

    #852642 Reply
    Kathy

    Jo.. “To answer your question, he’s totally reactive. Sounds like he just says what he’s feeling at the time. There’s no consistency because his identity is so unstable.I bet he believes himself in the moment and believes what he says, but nont of it matters because he has so many issues.

    This…. What Maddie said.

    All BPD’s(Borderline Personality Disordered) have object constancy. I know it well.. I dated one for over a year. That’s why I replied to your post. His emotional instability stuck out like a sore thumb. I just didn’t go into it as Maddie did. These relationships are toxic and will NEVER be healthy. You are the fortunate one to live your life in a healthy way as soon as you get over this experience, he won’t. And anyone with him will have a very difficult, if not horrible time in the long run.

    #852650 Reply
    Jo

    Maddie, that’s exactly what I thought. I was really scared when he told me that. I asked for more explanation. He later told me he knew nothing really excused that kind of behavior and that he felt guilty about it. So, I was never sure which one to believe and I kept asking questions on different occasions to find out how he really feels about it which he found really annoying after a while.
    Yes, I’m in therapy now and I’m trying to work on my issues. Thanks for taking the time and replying.

    #852652 Reply
    Jo

    I think you are right, Lane. I might be co-dependent. I don’t know much about codependency. But according to my therapist I have the sacrifice schema which must be kinda linked to codependency. I pretty much excused a lot of his behavior because of his rough childhood and his severe depression.
    In action, I’m doing all the things that I must. I’m in no contact. I’m in therapy. I’ve gotten a promotion, I’m making more money, I changed my hairstyle, I spend more money on myself, I spend more time with my friend. I’m learning a new language. I got a pet. I have taken a break from dating and have managed to identify red flags immediately before getting into any kind of relationship but yes, I do admit I have trouble not ruminating over what happened. One of the problems that I have is I hate uncertainty and lack of understanding. It’s like this chapter is open in my mind and I don’t know how to close it unless I fully understand it.
    Plus, this was my very first experience and it started when I was only 22 and when you’re in a relationship with a partner that can be a bit emotionally and at times sexually abusive, you kinda get confused. I’m not saying I have a very high self-esteem but it wasn’t this bad at the beginning of the relationship. I remember during the first year, he was the one who was worried if I loved him enough or not. As soon as I gave him enough reassurance, the tables turned. In the end, he told me he was tired of my constant need for reassurance. He didn’t realize that “All the girls I slept with were prettier than you but I love you for who you are” is not really a compliment and thought it was because of my insecurity and called me sensitive. I admit, if I did have enough self-esteem the relationship wouldn’t have lasted this long but if I had zero self-esteem I would have accepted all his booty calls.

    #852653 Reply
    Jo

    Kathy, thank you. Of course, I was far from a healthy individual myself. I was an insecure mess who always looked for reassurance. My therapist says, this guy has strong narcissistic tendencies.

    #852677 Reply
    Lane

    Good for you Jo. Acceptance is knowing you did everything you could but it would have never been enough.

    Closure comes from within. Tell yourself “I am strong, this would have just brought me down, I am better off without him!” I suggest looking for some quotes that lift you up. Put them on your bathroom mirror, and read them until you believe them. It worked for me when I left an alcoholic after 20 years of marriage, and I’m sooooooo much better off because I chose ME, and my sanity! :o)

    Like they say “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.” You will become a stronger, and better version of yourself to the point you won’t give a hoot about him. Keep up the good work!

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