Polyamorous Guy: What did he mean when he told me I wasn’t enough?


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    Marissa

    I am a 24 y/o monogamous woman who was recently dating a poly man. I like him and care about him so much, but I broke things off a few weeks ago because he said something to me, and I am not sure if it was cruel or if I took it the wrong way.

    We dated for about a month and a half, and I was extremely happy when I was with him. When he was not physically with me, I was anxious and depressed because he does not text often, and I was afraid (due to past heartbreaks) that he was ghosting me. When I saw him in person, he reassured me that he cared about me and did not want to stop seeing me, so most of the time I chalked it up to my anxiety and insecurities. However, from the beginning, my friends and family told me that the relationship was doomed since I have always been monogamous; they all told me I was going to get hurt. He has another partner, and while she didn’t want to be in contact with me, she knew I existed and from what he told me she was fine with it. I know, too, that she is non-monogamous.

    So here I am dating this man I am so incredibly attracted to, who holds my hand everywhere we go, who I so look forward to seeing. And yet I am in constant conflict with myself about whether or not I can do this. I am only 24, but I want to date intentionally and find a life partner. I know that in the long run the chances of him being with me forever (or, rather, with JUST me) are slim. But I was really enjoying dating him, despite the fact that he wasn’t giving me what I expected from a romantic partner (texting or calling me at least semi-frequently, being with me often — I only saw him once or twice a week, etc.) I talked about this a lot with my therapist, who does not believe that polyamory is “a real thing.” She wanted me to go into this experience purely looking for sexual experience (I have never had sex) and if he chose to “leave his girlfriend for me” that would be “ideal.” I never expected him to leave her to be with just me; in fact, if he had, I would not have liked him as much.

    I was living in a state of constant anxiety the entire time I was dating him because of the war going on in my mind. He was always very sweet and patient with me, but I felt and still feel bad for being so hot and cold. I was never unsure that I liked him and wanted to date him; I was just afraid of getting hurt when I someday realized that he could not be what (I think) I need. Finally my therapist told me I had to give him an ultimatum: her or me. I refused to do that, but I did tell him how I felt: that I was monogamous, and wasn’t sure what to do, that I really liked him and was falling for him and hoped we could work through it. He was gentle with me and told me that he was willing to make a compromise and call me during the week every now and then (since he hates texting) to ease my anxiety and to show me that he wanted to be with me. We had a long conversation about our goals and our needs, and I thought everything was going to be okay, and we went to dinner. I assumed his plan to spend the night with me was back on.

    We had just ordered our food and he told me that he was going to go home and sleep in his own bed, that he thought we should take a break from intimacy since I was unsure of the situation and because of my medical issues that make sex complicated for me. He told me that he wanted to make sex special for me, but also that he was frustrated since we had not been able to have penetrative sex yet and since I did not give the pleasure responses he was used to receiving from women. I have vaginismus and lichen sclerosus, which means, respectively, that penetrative sex is painful and difficult for me, and that I do not experience sexual pleasure easily. I was upset to hear this, but he held my hand and reassured me that we would make it work. When we got back to my apartment we sat in his car and I told him that I was anxious about hearing this because I knew that during this time he would be sexually active with his other partner, and I was scared of not being enough for him. He told me while holding my hand and rubbing my back that he “would not have even pursued” this relationship if he did not also have her in his life, to fulfill his sexual needs. He told me that we could get there in time, but it really hurt to hear this. I have been so afraid of being “not enough” sexually for a man, of being “sexually broken,” and I felt as though he was confirming my greatest fears by telling me this, especially since he is the first man I have ever been really intimate with, who has ever touched me and looked at me in that way.

    Somehow I managed to pull myself somewhat together and we went into my apartment to watch a movie, but we ended up talking instead, about my dating insecurities and my past dating experiences, and he asked me “what is the one thing I could do or say to make you decide not to continue with this relationship?” I said “I would need to know that there is no way at all that you would ever fall for me.” He said “I can’t promise that I will. I can’t do that until you can be more confident in yourself.” He went on to say that he felt he couldn’t trust me enough to fall for me because of how hot and cold I was. I didn’t know how to process this, and he left shortly thereafter. We left on good terms, with plans to see each other later that week.

    After he left I realized that what he had said in the car did not sit well with me, and I texted him telling him so, and then went to bed. When I woke up he had said “I am sorry that’s the case,” and that he didn’t mean we could not have the level of satisfaction he had had with other partners. But by then I had made up my mind. I was so tired of the doubt and anxiety and this had been the final straw for me at that point. I broke up with him over text message, and broke my own heart in the process. He did not fight me; he told me he was sad but not surprised given how things had gone. Over the next few days and weeks I continued to text him sporadically, reasoning with him and myself. Finally he asked for peace, and we parted ways. I ended up texting him once more apologizing for my actions about a week later. He never responded.

    Since I ended things, I have missed him terribly. I cannot stop thinking about the good times, about how wonderful he was to me. I cannot stop thinking about him telling me twice that last day that he did not know what would happen, but that he did not want to stop seeing me. I have been driving myself crazy with questions, and I do not know if I made a mistake in ending things. I have no friends who are poly, so I cannot get a perspective on the situation outside of that of the monogamous people I know, who all tell me that no matter how much pain I am in (and it is tremendous) I made the right decision.

    Can I get some perspective on this? Is there any hope for me having him in my life again? Did I overreact? Did I make a mistake? I miss him so much, I have never been so attracted to anyone in my life, and I care about him more than I can say.

    #782325 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Yes, and it is going to be very direct.

    YOU ARE IN NO PLACE TO DATE. You are not emotionally healthy enough to be dating for real. Until you can be more confident, this will always happen.

    YOU CHOOSE PARTNERS WHO REFLECT YOUR FEARS. If you were healthy, you would never be attracted to a man who from day 1 has been clear he cannot give you what you want.

    YOU ARE VERY INSECURE ATTACHMENT STYLE. Please read up on insecure attachment and find a therapist who can help you heal the trauma that got you there.

    EVERY MOMENT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS MAN IS ABANDONING YOUR SELF. Part of the reason dating is hard for you is you choose partners who won’t give you what you want, which a form of self abandonment. Every moment you spend thinking about if you made a bad decision is self abandonment to him as giving you your value. The goal is for your value to be self determined and no one else can effect. Until you make better choices to never again give yourself up to someone else, you will suffer.

    THIS MAN WILL BE IN YOUR LIFE, BUT AT WHAT COST. This is not a good man. Objectively, he has taken a very insecure woman and instead of just leaving you alone and breaking things off, he stays. He knows he will never give you what you want, but he takes from you any way. THIS IS A BAD MAN. Healthy men do not do this. They give you the gift of not being around because nice people do not stay when they know someone wants more than they can give.

    Hugs, you are onto a new journey of self discovery and healing, should you choose to do it.

    #782326 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Also, as a general rule, if you are more attracted than a 8/10 to someone, they almost always represent unhealed trauma. You should almost always run from that person, they are not good for you!

    #782327 Reply
    Raven

    He is poly… This is not about You-
    This is who/what he is…

    #782328 Reply
    Jo

    I’m not impressed by your therapist either.

    #782329 Reply
    Lil

    I’ve been I a similar situation dating a open/poly guy when I’m monogamous. The difference being that I knew that it’s not that he just hasn’t fallen for me yet, he will always have and want more than one partner. Even if he decides to leave his girlfriend and make you his primary partner he will then look for another secondary or even a third.

    It’s not about you, it’s about what his needs and lifestyle are. You are not compatible. You need to find another monogamous person to be with.

    Also I realised that I have chosen to go out with men like this because I wasn’t truely available myself. I would be asking myself if I was you why you are wanting to be with someone where you will not be able to for fill your needs of whole relationship in the way you see one.

    #782330 Reply
    Dangerouse

    Young lady, you have gotten yourself into a very destructive situation. Like a drug user, destroying their body.

    You really need to get your head on straight. Quit idolizing the man.

    Quit whing and trying to discuss things with him. You are the one poisoning yourself by engaging with this person

    #782331 Reply
    Khadija

    I agree with Tallspicy you are not ready to date.

    From the very beginning this was not a guy you should have been dating. I think you were hoping he would drop everything to be with you.

    I’m sorry but, I disagree with your therapist. I doubt you can handle just sex with a guy.

    In any case I think this is for the best.

    #782332 Reply
    Persephone

    TallSpicy gave you the best advice and insight you can get. I loved how she laid it out and gave you direction. Everything she said is true.

    Girl, you have to value yourself and value your values. If you are not poly don’t date a poly! Get some confidence to be able to see that someone who can’t accommodate your needs isn’t attractive to you.

    I’ve been where you are… I was insecure and dealing with abandonment trauma. It took me four+ years of therapy, but I found my voice and gave up on the guy who could never love anyone, let alone me, and a month ago married someone who fits in my values. At times I had two therapy sessions a week, but I worked at it and got all I ever wanted! You can, too! I promise.

    #782333 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    What Tallspicy said. You are not ready to date.

    Putting the whole polyamory question aside for a minute–let’s pretend he was a monogamous guy just for a moment. It did not sit well with you when he honestly told you he was not sure he would fall for you. That’s not even something I would ask a guy I’d been dating a month and a half. But would you rather he lied? No one can promise something like that. No one can tell you what will happen. Part of dating is understanding that both individuals are taking the risk that they will have feelings that the other won’t reciprocate. That’s the risk of dating. Until you gain some self confidence, any potential relationships you may have will crumble under the weight of your insecurity.

    About the polyamory– You should not date a polyamorous man if you want a monogamous relationship. It’s really that simple. He can’t give you what you want. I have never been interested in polyamory but I have several friends who have been in, or are currently in, polyamorous relationships. It’s not for everyone. It’s not what I would want, personally. If it’s not what you would want, why would you date someone who is poly, no matter how nice and wonderful they seem?

    Please take this experience as an opportunity to reflect, heal, and think about what you want for yourself and your life.

    #782338 Reply
    Tallspicy

    I stand by what I said by this not being a good guy. Polyamorous people who are good people do not engage people who only want to be monogamous. They test very clearly at the beginning whether or not someone aligned with that and only engage in that community. Polyamorous works for some people and that is wonderful for them, but you need to understand that before you get engaged with them. But I really don’t like about this guy is that he is continuing to engage with you when he knows he will never give you what you want. That makes him a piece of crap. And it makes you a person with zero boundaries or self esteem.

    #782340 Reply
    Phoebe

    Marissa,

    Have you gotten your medical issues sorted out? I know that there is a surgical procedure and excerises that can help with it. Don’t be like my friend who put it off for 7 years and lost her marriage as a result.

    #782364 Reply
    kaye

    First, let me say the whole point of a poly man is that no one woman will ever be enough for him! It isn’t about you it’s about HIM!

    This relationship was no good for you at all. It kept you in a constant state of anxiety and his compromise was going to be to call you once or twice during the week? That’s his idea of a compromise? So you’re good enough to have sexual experiences with but not to call? Don’t date a poly guy and expect to give him an ultimatum a month and a half in to leave his other lover. Your therapist doesn’t sound like she know what she’s doing!!

    Due to your issues with sexual penetration you need a man who is committed to you, gentle and will devote 100% of his attention to making physical sex work for you. Not a man who already has a partner who he devotes most of his time to and you’re second on his roster. Pick a man who will put you first!!

    I know it was hard for you to end this and you miss him, but this man is not good for you. There are a lot of men out there who want a monogamous life long commitment and be devoted to you. That’s what you want so don’t settle for less!!

    #782371 Reply
    Truth seeker

    This is not what you really want. It would be if he wanted what you wanted and he does not. Which is why you are so hot and cold, hurt and confused about it. He didn’t fight for you or give you the reassurance which is what you wanted and it backfired.

    Focus on the facts!

    If another man who wanted the same things as you wanted, was giving you his time and attention during this whole situation, would you blow the guy off and stick to poly man?

    He gives you barely any of the attention you want because he divides it out between you and another woman. He’s selfish, probably has a need to have multiple women to feel good about himself, and full of baggage he’s afraid to unpack because he doesn’t want to deal with himself. You can not save him from it. So make peace with it, give up, and walk away. It’s the best hardest decision you could ever make.

    I did that with the last guy and jumped the gun and blew it. I’m kind of bummed because i really liked him for a very long time and the sex was good. It’s not enough for me though, so I know I made the right decision. I still try to chat with him because I do care about him as a person and miss his company (outside of the sex) that’s probably not how he is going to take it so any attempt is a bad idea.

    Why sacrifice what you want out of a relationship and what keeps you happy for a guy who only cares about himself and his own needs?

    Do you think you really deserve that?

    Plenty of fish in the sea. You just gotta be patient. maybe sort out your medical issue in the mean time or perhaps find a guy with a smaller penis? Do you masturbate at all?

    #782411 Reply
    anon

    Do not date men who are having sex with other women- marrieds, polys, “open”, cheaters unless you could care less about the fact that they are in relationships with other women or are yourself, married, poly, “open” or cheating.

    Do not even start down the road with these guys. As soon as they mention the words, bounce, get up, pay your tab, block and delete.

    I have NEVER heard a woman on here say “oh yeah, I enjoyed dating that poly/open/married/cheating man. Did wonders for my esteem!”.

    #782416 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Anon,

    Please ease up on the judgy by a million percent about the poly community. There are plenty of people who are poly, and it works for them just fine. POLY IS NOT CHEATING. I know several people who have this lifestyle with . The key is that it is a community where they are very upfront and negotiate for what works for them. In this case, she is not poly, and it makes it a unacceptable fit. And if she were emotionally healthy, she would not have even engaged knowing it would never give her what she wants.

    And this man in particular is not a good man, because good men in the poly community would never engage with someone who is closed to it.

    It does not work for me, but I do not judge people who live their life authentically and openly.

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