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  • #896208 Reply
    mama

    Wow. After that little confession, no wonder you won’t listen to anyone on this forum.
    I would probably lie to you as well.

    You really sound like you are not in a good mental place.

    #896214 Reply
    George

    Wait.

    You pretended to be someone else and contacted him?

    This is not stable or healthy. The ends do not justify the means. Everyone is trying to tell you to let this go or else you’re going to come off looking crazy. It doesn’t matter what you’re trying to achieve! It doesn’t matter that this guy is a jerk! You are spending all your emotional energy on this guy.

    Let it go.

    #896220 Reply
    Lane

    WoW! You have too much time on your hands to be playing detective, and trying to trap a dude you barely know. Agree with others in that there is something much much deeper going on, in your personality, that will make men run if this is how you act or behave. Look up “love bombing” as that’s what he did, and you fell for it. Its called “a life lesson,” and I truly hope you can step back from your vendetta, and learn something from it.

    I think you need to find better ways to deal with rejection, as this is over the top, and will not serve you well in the future if this is how you deal with people, or problems.

    #896223 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Okay, so the guy is a lying piece of cr@p. But are you any better for having pulled that stunt (pretending to be someone else to string him along and stand him up)? Don’t you see how crazy and petty this all is? And you are not a victim, you are an active participant!

    A healthy person would want to disconnect themselves from a hot mess like this. It’s toxic to want to continue the drama by contacting him & venting.

    From the timeline in your first post, you dated for 6 weeks; he ghosted you for 3, and he sent you the fake cancer excuse 2 weeks ago. So basically, it’s been 5+ weeks since he ghosted you & it ended. So it’s been over for almost as long as you dated! Why can’t you let it go? I can assure you he’s not sitting around with his friends talking about you & laughing. He’s most likely moved on to some other woman & is giving her the same treatment he gave you.

    #896239 Reply
    Connie

    Kara,
    You have every right to your feelings. I would only ask if feeling this way is bringing you any benefit? He clearly has issues and lacks moral awareness if he is lying about having cancer. His vibration and frequency are low. Someone with low frequency is like quicksand if you let them draw you in. Your most powerful recourse is to not consent to being sucked in.

    It’s your choice to call him out or not. I’m not suggesting you don’t engage with him because of his rights, feelings, or going by some arbitray bar set for deciding if the amount of time you dated had meaning or not. All that sort of talk does is invalidate your feelings. I am, however, suggesting you not engage with him because engaging will fuel whatever sick game that’s getting him off. I don’t give a crap about him and his toxic games. What I do give a crap about is you lowering your vibrations to his level. He’s in an ugly and pathetic place to do the things he is doing. Letting yourself go down to his level gives him power. Raising your vibration by loving and valuing yourself gives you all that power.

    What you think becomes your life. Do you really want to be anywhere close to the path he’s traveling with his thoughts?

    #896249 Reply
    Raven

    Wow…

    #896250 Reply
    Connie

    Kara,
    I wanted to add this –
    For what it’s worth as a stranger on a forum, I really do understand where you are coming from. I know how much it sucks to try to express your feelings and get feedback that seems like it validates him and invalidates you. Although I don’t agree with how some responses were worded and the direction they took, I do agree with the underlying message that he’s not worth your energy and you are responsible for the quality of your life.

    I spent far too much time in the same thought pattern you are in over this guy. I wasted so much time and energy feeling wronged. I’m not sure what exactly made it click that no matter what someone else did that ultimately I chose how much I let it affect me. That doesn’t mean you excuse his behavior or buy into anyone saying that behavior is acceptable at your expense. What it does mean is that you don’t let it define you and your actions for the type of person you want to be.

    #896336 Reply
    kara

    i dont think i did anything wrong with contacting him pretending to be someone else and i actually would encourage anyone and everyone to do this in a similar lying/ghosting situation if the opportunity arises. Thanks to this, #1 i got the confirmation that i needed that he was lying since otherwise i may have actually believed the cancer and been pretty upset about it, #2 since he lied to this fake person it shows he is just a liar in general not just to me personally #3 i got some satisfaction by having him spend 5 hours of his evening all alone waiting for a fake person to show up all because he didnt have the decency to have a conversation which takes A LOT less effort and is much cheaper then the trip he paid for and planned. confronting just seems like the cherry on top that i am desperately looking for.

    #896355 Reply
    tammy

    enuff time wasted. now move on.. he dsnt deserve so much of our time and energy.

    #896362 Reply
    Sandra

    Hi Kara, The way I see it because I have been following this thread, is that you made up your mind about what you wanted to do when you first posted on here. So I mean just go ahead and do it. Just get it over with and move on with your life like these ladies told you. If that is what you believe is going to bring you satisfaction for even a fraction of a second and that’s what you think you need then by all means do it. I know in the past when I have felt so badly that I wanted to get even with someone not that it’s happened often but when it has at the end I felt satisfaction for a fraction of a second and then I went back to feeling the exact same way. My true satisfaction while it does take longer has come from putting my energy into taking time for myself and moving on. There is no greater satisfaction then realizing one day that the person who hurt you so much one day is just a faded memory that no longer hurts or that you don’t even think about. If you keep plotting and thinking of ways to get even or call him out, he is consuming your life. You are giving him more importance than he gives you because like one lady posted. I can assure you he is not at home thinking of how he did you wrong. He had moved on to someone else and if you come back now that trying to call him out you are just the obsessed crazy chick who can’t get over him, not the smart girl who figured him out. Guys like that don’t care, If he did he wouldn’t of done this to you. Best of luck to you.

    #896373 Reply
    Maddie

    You’ve gotten a lot of good responses here. The only other one I’m going to add is, don’t let him define you. You are the only one who gets to define you. Don’t give your power away by assuming he thinks all this stuff about you (like you’re gullible) or that it even matters what he thinks! But since you don’t know what he thinks, those words you’ve been repeating and ruminating over are actually your own thoughts and are the way you view yourself. Don’t beat yourself up the way you have been. Like I said before, view getting out of this crappy situation early as a win, not a loss.

    Good luck confronting him. I don’t think anyone here can answer your question and tell you how to do it because you need to decide for yourself what’s best and what you want to say and feel confident in your own choices, you don’t need our validation. If it doesn’t make you feel better and you still don’t have the closure to move on after, I hope you take all the other advice you’ve gotten in this thread.

    #896773 Reply
    tammy

    i liked what sandra wrote. especially the last few lines. you were smart enough to figure things out and caught his lies. so now the best thing you could do is to cut your losses short and move on. what most people are trying to say is, is there any point for you to drag this and reconnect for a confrontation?? if you do, it would just appear that you actually went to so much length to find out the truth about someone you dated briefly and who dumped you with a lame excuse. why give that man so much satisfaction?? he would only feel flattered and get an ego stroke knowing you did so much sleuthing around after he said he wants to break up. just say a little prayer and move on.

    #896785 Reply
    Marie

    Kara, im not going to lie i have also done the “pretend to be someone else text” and really it hurts more than it helps in my opinion. You get this sick feeling in the pit of your stomach and feel sick knowing they are deliberately ignoring you. This guy didn’t want to hurt your feelings and lead you on to believe you two were something more.

    I think you should take some time to reflect on yourself and figure out what you want in life. Don’t worry about trying to find the perfect guy. They don’t exist. Just live your life and if someone great comes along awesome! Don’t seek someone out.

    I also think you shouldn’t call him out, why stoop to his level? Be the bigger person that you are and move on. He isn’t worth your time. I cant tell you how many tears I’ve shed for guys who don’t deserve it. You are strong and independent!

    #896845 Reply
    kara

    so contrary to what most here may think based on some of my actions that i described id like to think i am a pretty even keeled person. ive been broken up with before in normal ways with the usual cliche lines or specific reasons that made sense. in all of those scenarios although i was sad i was able to process the break up as nothing personal towards me but just that we didnt work together as a couple and it helped me move on. the reason i am taking it so personal here is that he wrote a whole novel. 1/2 was about his diagnosis the other 1/2 about how he really wanted to continue our relationship but couldnt do it due to the cancer. how can i not take it personal when someone goes through the effort of thinking of this lie and making an effort of writing it all out just to hurt me (if you know the other person at minimum likes you telling them you are gravely ill is going to upset them 100%) when he literally couldve copy and paste the most common break up line into my text box and call it a day. I swear i thought ghosting was bad but i am not sure whats worse ghosting or this…UGH.

    #896846 Reply
    Sophie

    I had a friend who was always in the middle of drama. I pulled back because her drama was probably 95% her own making. She was always trying to get even with exes, stores, neighbors, etc. It backfired on her constantly. She did6nt know when to stop. You already got him back by giving him a taste of his own medicine.

    I’m not going to try to appeal to you to be the better person. It’s clear you don’t want to go that direction. So in light of that, let’s talk strategy – You exit while you are on top. Take your win and get whatever enjoyment you get from it. If you keep pushing you run a huge risk of exposing yourself as the one who is behind all his supposed bad luck. Once he realizes you set him up your victory of standing him up will be a defeat. He’s not going to suddenly see the light of how he did you wrong. He will be reinforced that he did nothing wrong and as is the victim of you.

    #896862 Reply
    Maddie

    “how can i not take it personal when someone goes through the effort of thinking of this lie and making an effort of writing it all out just to hurt me”

    Since you have proof he’s lying, you depersonalize it by saying, “wow! This guy is so unstable. Glad he cut this short, because he could escalate this type of behavior until it gets outright scary or threatening. He is capable of a lot of unpredictable and hurtful behavior, and I should protect myself by getting away from it.” No reason to assume he wrote any of it to hurt you, he wrote it because he’s a coward or because he has object permanence issues / breaks from reality. You unfortunately can’t control how others behave, and not everyone will act the way you want them to or in a way you find decent. So you drop those people out of your life as soon as you see their true colors.

    #896930 Reply
    Dana

    You have it set up in your mind that he’ll see things your way. How many people have told you their view on here? You don’t agree. That’s fine and your absolute right. You don’t have to go along with the crowd. Do you think he’s going to be any different?

    If your 100% true goal is only to tell him you know he lied, then that is your business and I would support you standing your ground. If you are hoping, even a tiny bit, he will have an epiphany and see the error of his ways – you’re betting against the house. Be really honest with yourself about your goal. If you aren’t you are only setting yourself up for failure.

    What I’m deciphering is that you want something more than to tell him you know he lied, let the chips fall where they may, and be done with the idea of this guy. If that was the case it’s a really simple and quick procedure. You wouldn’t need any advice on how to do it. You know how to contact him. The message you want to send could be said very clearly in one, maybe two sentences. Anything longer and you’re just appealing to him for something other than telling him you know he’s a liar.

    Reflect honestly on your goal. If you have hopes of anything other than telling him the jig is up, then I agree with Sophie to exit while you are on top.

    #896966 Reply
    Carrie

    What I’m deciphering is that you want something more than to tell him you know he lied, let the chips fall where they may, and be done with the idea of this guy. If that was the case it’s a really simple and quick procedure. You wouldn’t need any advice on how to do it.”

    Cuts right to the heart of it.

    You are convincing yourself what you are doing is standing up for yourself. It would be if you had just called him out and moved on. What you are doing is keeping a connection to him alive on life support.
    Why haven’t you told him you know he lied and moved on? It’s that easy. No need to go over it a thousand different ways unless you want more. Your actions and words say you want more. You want him to be honest with you when you aren’t being honest with youself.

    #897135 Reply
    kara

    i thought long and hard why i am so attached to this person that i barely know especially with all of the lying that i uncovered in the short time we have known each other. i think in the time we did know each other i became wildly fascinated by some of his better qualities, i.e. the incredible success the generosity, etc. and just wanted him to be in my life. i am not crazy enough to be in love with him or anything over the top so i would literally take him in any capacity be it friend or acquaintance just someone that i could run ideas by and get advice from. maybe i want to reach out to convey the message of hey look i know you lied i know you arent interested but why do we have to cut of all communication. on our trip, the weather was bad, everything was closed, so we literally spent all day every day there talking for hours and hours about everything and anything. we closed down restaurants and spoke into wee hours of the night. can that type of interest be faked? and if not, why cant we continue to communicate in a non romantic way? ive literally never had someone cut of communication like this unless we had a fight so i am struggling to understand where he is coming from here and i guess that is why i am having a hard time moving on

    #897142 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Please go to a therapist. You have severe anxious attachment. Any person who can be obviously lied to and then try to turn it so you stay in touch is not emotionally stable in this arena of their life.

    Truth: you are way over invested and have a deeply unhealthy relationship to this man AND to yourself

    It is super messed up your last post. Please still talk to me no matter what your behavior. That is essentially what you are asking.

    Please get help, my guess is this is not the first time this is happening in some way for you.

    #897144 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Think about it though, would you even want someone like this as a friend? Someone who would lie about having cancer to a woman he’s dating? Earlier in this thread a poster made a comment– do you think this is the first lie he’s told, or you’re the first person he’s lied to? Of course not. He obviously has serious problems. He would not be trustworthy even has a friend. So why would you want to run ideas by him, or get advice from him? Try to look at it that way.

    I understand he was very charismatic and you had a short but intense time with him. Listen, I dated a guy like this — not as bad as him in terms of lying, but he was very charismatic, we had intense interactions, we talked for hours about everything. In hindsight, he was not interested in me as a person. The interaction, the talking, the time spent together– it was all about him and his ego. This guy wanted your attention, and he got it, and held it for awhile. You are looking at the hours you spent talking as him being genuinely interested in you, but I don’t think that’s a case. A guy who has real interest in you would not lie and cut you off abruptly. I think you were a vehicle for this guy’s ego, you were someone he could travel with and he could talk to, but now he’s done with you and on to the next woman. To be blunt, you were disposible to him.

    I’m not trying to be harsh, I’m just trying to reframe it for you. Again, I have personal experience dating a charismatic but manipulative guy who tricked me into believing his interest in me was genuine, but it was not. This guy’s interest in you was fake, it was not genuine, because if it was real he wouldn’t have cut you off like that.

    The problem here is him. Don’t try to figure him out. Like others have said, you will not make him realize anything. The healthiest thing for you is to let go and move on.

    #897160 Reply
    Dana

    Kara,
    A few years ago a friend of mine met an extremely wealthy man who wanted the company of women, but nothing further. He would take her out to extravagant dinners, buy her gifts, and give her money just for her to “get herself something nice”. For some people dropping a $1,000 on a dinner or handing over $500 on a whim isn’t a big deal. They see it like most people see spending $50 on a casual dinner date or handing over $5. She could also talk to him about anything and everything. He was genuinely interested in what she had to say. The difference between the guy my friend knew and the one you know is her guy was honest. They had good times together. He also had the same good times with other women. He was someone she went on dates with a few times a month. Period. Nothing more. She didn’t confuse him with someone available for a relationship. She knew the score. They enjoyed each other’s company. She didn’t pass up available men dreaming about a future with an unavailable man, no matter how nice their dates were.

    She met a great guy and is now engaged. She stopped DATING (didn’t break up with because they weren’t in a relationship) Mr. CharmingMoneyMan when her and now fiancee became bf/gf after a few months.
    Would you like to know what Mr. CharmingMoneyMan did? He wished her well and was happy for her. He enjoyed her company, but she was replaceable to him.

    The man she knew wasn’t doing anything wrong. He was upfront and honest about his intentions. The guy you met is doing the same thing with going on extravagant dates, but is too cowardly to be honest about his intentions. I’m sure he believes it’s obvious and he doesn’t need to say it and uses the cancer story when he decides things need to end.

    Look, he may not have been honest but be smart and see it for what it was. My friend had the advantage of honesty. Even so, she could have been swept up in making more out it. She didnt though. If she had she would be miserable and hurt over an unavailable man instead of planning a wedding. You can make the same choice she did. It’s up to you.

    #897224 Reply
    Connie

    I know it hurts. You’re confused about why he did what he did. Truth is, being confused in your situation is a choice.

    You don’t know why he lied after your trip. Being dishonest is his problem to deal with. It’s not yours. That’s all you need to know not to be confused.

    Someone who knows how to have a healthy relationship wouldn’t and shouldn’t want to plead with a liar to be in her life. Was getting hurt once not enough? You’re looking for his approval you are worthy to be with. Being friends will prove you are worthy, right? Wrong. It only proves you can be lied to and go back for more.

    I don’t think he faked it. He was looking for something, got it and was satisfied. It stopped there for him. Some people just don’t have it in them to go the distance with anyone. Look to yourself for your worth, not an emotionally stunted guy.

    If a friend said, “Hey, there’s a guy I know. He’ll take you on a trip. He’s really charming. He’ll talk a great game and make you feel special. You’ll so fall for him” You’d probably be all for meeting until she added, “But he’s an emotional wreck, will lie like a rug, tell you he has cancer and disappear. Do you want to go out with him?”
    You wouldn’t block out the second half. You’d tell your friend, “no way” and question why she would want to do you in like that.

    You are being the questionable friend to yourself. You are doing yourself in.

    #897228 Reply
    mama

    aww, Connie. That was a great way to put it. Maybe putting it that way will help her see it in a different light? I really hope this particular poster reads/hears yours because she sure isn’t listening to anyone else.

    *fingers crossed*

    #897261 Reply
    Connie

    Ty mama. I hate knowing anyone is going down a totally avoidable path. I hope she rereads the entire thread with a new outlook. There’s so much good advice from so many.
    Yes on *fingers crossed*

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