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  • #932792 Reply
    Tina

    Hi friends,

    So I’ve been dating this guy for a month. And we have dated 5 times. Every time we hang out I can feel there’s chemistry and good vibes. We had sex on our second date which is kind of out of the plan. And then we did it again on the 4th date.

    Today we were supposed to watch a movie but he canceled earlier because he could finish work on time. I said maybe we could skip the movie and go for dinner instead. And he called me by 6pm and said he just got off out and felt super tired, and he said sorry and ask if I’m mad.
    Here are things I got sometimes confused and I don’t know if this is going to be anything more:
    – I completely understand he be really tired after a long day. But I’m also trapped by the thought of “if he really wants to see you he’ll still make it and sacrifice”. So idk if I should see this as any kind of sign.

    – We texted each other every day and he’ll always say good morning by texting. But sometimes he disappeared for maybe 6-7 hours or a day if he’s occupied in work or family. People been saying a guy will never be too busy to reply to someone they like. But at the same time I know he can be really busy at work and he’s also graduating from master degree recently finishing thesis and stuff. But idk if it means hes not very interested?

    – I noticed that he deleted his account on dating app. I didn’t ask him about it and he didn’t mention. It’s only been a month, did he do this because of me? But he never talked about getting exclusive or anything like that.

    My feelings told me he’s not a player. But I’m also confused and idk how interested he is. We don’t really say I miss you or things like that too. Is this normal for dating at this stage? Is this going to be a potential relationship? Can guys really be too busy to text back?

    #932800 Reply
    Anna

    5 dates in a month, that’s one date a week pretty much right? not a bad pace, but I need to ask who initiated all those dates?
    he might have just unmatched you instead of deleting his profile, I am not sure what app you are using?

    texting someone good morning etc means nothing to men really, it is more validation thing for women . Guys can text girls good morning without even knowing them or have the intention to ever meet them in real life.
    As with him being tired, you really want to go out with someone who is tired? Maybe he wants to have a nice time with and knowing he is tired won’t help with that ?
    Yes you are right if he wanted he would , but would you meet someone if you were tired? I wouldn’t. I also wouldn’t say I miss you to someone I’ve only met 5 times. I feel like you guys text more than actually meet in real life so you get this weird sense of knowing him , having connection with him, without actual emotional connection.

    another point to raise here , don’t initiate now, wait for him to reschedule, this is your answer really.

    #932811 Reply
    Tina

    Hi Anna:

    Thank you for your advice!
    We met on bumble, and I think he deleted the account because I can still see all the chat history we have. But it says his account is deleted.
    We sometimes met twice a week. Most of the time it was him who initiated. And I invited him once.
    He did ask to reschedule it to Saturday which is tomorrow.
    But I didn’t reply yet. Because I’m just kinda confused and don’t know how much he likes me. And we kinda talk less and less on phone. I really like him but idk if we are on the same page anymore. Or am I just overthinking only because he didn’t text much as before.

    #932812 Reply
    Tina

    I also kinda want to talk to him about late reply which is bothering me a little bit. But I guess it’s weird to bring that up since we only been dating for a month? Should I just do nothing and let it be.
    I mean is he that busy or just losing interest. If he’s losing interest why is he still seeing me?

    #932816 Reply
    Raven

    Breathe…
    Relax…

    He doesn’t disappear for 6/7 hours- He is at work.

    ‘ If he’s losing interest why is he still seeing me?’
    – exactly

    How much texting do you need, really…

    #932820 Reply
    Tina

    Hi raven:

    Yea I guess I was just overthinking or being too sensitive.
    He rescheduled it to the weekend and We’ll see how that goes.

    #932823 Reply
    Karen

    Just slow down and enjoy this getting to know each other period. This is the best time, there’s so much to learn about each other. There’s no rush, if it’s right it will all work out. I believe everything happens exactly as it should. Enjoy him when you do have him. Have Fun with him. Then he’ll come around.

    #932824 Reply
    Maddie

    You’re getting good advice! You can’t know where things are going after only a month because you do not know each other well yet. However, if he keeps initiating in-person dates with you (dates, not just hook ups!), then things are going well enough for you to continue getting to know each other.

    If you’ve already gone on some dates and he has to postpone, I think it’s fine as long as he tells you before you got ready to meet and he immediately reschedules. Observing his follow-up actions is very important in those situations, but him postponing one time or once in a while in itself doesn’t mean anything. Especially if it’s due to work or illness or family emergency or some real reason. It signals a problem if he does not reschedule and see you, or if this happens often and he’s disrespectful of you and your time. But believe it or not, it is good to have a man who prioritizes you but also makes enough time to take care of himself too. Then he can show up at his best for you both.

    Do you have other activities to spend time on so that it doesn’t feel personal when he is also busy at work/school? Going to grad school and working at the same time doesn’t leave much free time at all, so it’s also a good sign that he’s trying to use some of that free time to see you! But it will feel easier to you (and give you even more to talk about together) if you’re spending time on other interests and not waiting around to hear from him.

    #932827 Reply
    Tina

    To Maddie and Karen:

    Thank you for your advice which I definitely should take!
    It just kinda bothers me that he used to text me more often and frequently. Now it’s like once a day. But maybe he is just busy.
    I hope it all works out though.

    #932832 Reply
    Maddie

    Tina, the other purpose of dating and taking your time to get to know someone is to decide if they are a good match for YOU. Moreso than worrying about winning him over. While I think you should give him a chance to keep showing his interest, if you sense a shift and don’t feel good about it, there might be something to that instinct. If this is his normal amount of effort with someone he likes, maybe he won’t be a good fit for you. Something to keep in mind, it is okay to question if the dynamic works for YOU and makes YOU happy, and to choose not to further invest or to move on if it doesn’t.

    I still recommend slowing down your attachment and have fun getting to know him better because I don’t think you have anything to worry about yet, but at the same time, keep being honest with yourself about if any budding relationship actually works for you and meets your needs, too!

    #932845 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    Hey Tina, glad to have you here with us in the forum.

    I have to question the mindset and approach here.

    You meet the guy, have sex with him a few times (even though it wasn’t “part of the plan”), he cancels a date.

    And you’re asking, “Is something wrong? Is this normal? Does he like me? Is this going to lead to a good place?”

    We need to zoom out here and look at the big picture because you’re missing something major.

    Hmmm… I’m thinking how to phrase this…

    How do YOU know if the relationship is on the right track?

    How do YOU know if this relationship is leading somewhere good?

    I’m reading your question and it’s almost like you’re asking, “Did I make him like me enough to pick me as a girlfriend and want to be with me?”

    Dating and getting into a good relationship is not about making a guy “like you enough” or “desire you enough” or making him “chase you” or any of that.

    Success is downstream from your mindset and perspective on all this.

    Think of it like this:

    What if when it came to dating and relationships, you have a different set of questions to evaluate what was going on.

    Forget all that “is this normal?” and “does he like me?” and “is he investing/into me?” crap.

    Imagine if the questions you were asking inside were:

    “Do I really know this man? What motivates him? What frustrates him? What inspires him? What he considers a big “win” for himself (or a big “defeat” for that matter)?”

    “Am I part of his *life* (part of his journey towards his deepest & most meaningful goals, pursuits, desires) or am I an accessory outside of it right now?”

    “Does he look to his relationship with me for ’emotional partnership’ and support in the journey towards what’s most meaningful to him?”

    “Do I even know what’s most meaningful to him, including the things he will never say out loud?”

    In the very beginning, of course the answer to all of these is NO.

    It’s no because you don’t know him yet!

    Yeah maybe you “know” he gets you excited enough to sleep with him.

    Maybe you “know” he’s fun to banter with or the time together is fun companionship or the sex is good.

    But really you don’t have to “know” a person for any of that. That’s just surface level stuff and guys attach no importance or value to any of that.

    Why not? Because sex is a commodity. Between porn and prostitutes, sex in itself is easily replaceable, speaking from a practical level.

    On top of that, when a guy creates a persona that shows up well on the first few dates, that’s a well-crafted performance.

    It’s not to say it’s not authentic, but it’s only a slice of expression from him. And apparently it was impressive enough for you to sleep together a few times, so the utility of that persona is self-evident.

    So after he drives home, you know what he has to deal with?

    The rest of his life.

    See, in the beginning, if you’re a person who just predictably has the favorable responses to his persona, that too does nothing to build a connection.

    Because from his point of view, he’s just doing what works for the first dates to go well. Well enough to have some fun moments and sleep together.

    But it doesn’t touch his heart, it doesn’t inspire him, it doesn’t change his world.

    Those questions I asked above get at what creates an emotional connection with a man.

    He has to live his life and a man’s life is full of striving to achieve something deeply meaningful.

    If you’re outside of that, you’re outside of his heart.

    In the context of what you asked, that’s great news!

    Why?

    Because it lets you off the hook in a lot of ways.

    The relationship wasn’t about “does he like me enough?” or “is he pulling away?”

    The real questions are really about, “Do I actually know him as a man? Do I know what’s deeply meaningful to him? Do I understand what drives him?”

    And then, “And am I able to connect with him and talk to him at THAT level?”

    If the answer is no, then you don’t have to feel bad!

    Why?

    Because that’s the only thing that actually DOES reach a man’s heart.

    Until you’re connecting with him on that level, forget everything else. Totally irrelevant, doesn’t reach his heart, forgettable, replaceable, he doesn’t care.

    I don’t mean “he doesn’t care” in a mean or callous way. I mean it has no impact! It doesn’t touch his heart.

    So, succinctly, the punchline:

    If you don’t KNOW what’s deeply meaningful to him, you can’t talk to him in a way that connects with his heart.

    If you can’t talk to him in a way that connects with his heart, you aren’t building an emotional connection with him, then yes he will lose interest, pull away and leave.

    And it won’t be because you “weren’t good enough”, it will be because you didn’t connect with him because you didn’t know that’s really what it’s all about.

    That’s the mindset and approach you need to have from here.

    Either you can understand what’s deeply meaningful to him or you can’t.
    Either you can speak to him on that level or you can’t.

    And if you can’t… OK, that’s fine! He’s just not the one for you.

    But if you can, then the sky is the limit for your relationship future.

    K?

    Hope that helps Tina.

    #932864 Reply
    Tina

    Eric and Maddie,
    Thank you for your advice!
    It’s 100% right and I should really think about it. Thank you.

    #932878 Reply
    Tina

    So we were supposed to meet yesterday as rescheduled. And then something came up he said he had to take care of his cousins kids and asked me if I mind bringing them along. I said will they mind. He said he’s picking them up now and let him ask them.
    And then over an hour later I didn’t hear from him so I texted him saying it’s okay he can just be with the kids today no worries about me. And he said sorry.

    And then I texted him another message in the evening. He didn’t open it on WhatsApp till now.
    We used to chat regularly and now he barely opens WhatsApp for some reason.

    But All was just fine before. I kept looking at the chat history and I don’t know why. Should I see it as a closure already

    #932879 Reply
    Raven

    Well for sure don’t text him again…

    #932880 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    Why do you think there’s a problem here?

    What is it that you want to be seeing here? And why do you think you aren’t seeing it?

    #932884 Reply
    Tina

    I just feel something’s off and I don’t know why. Like it seems to be different suddenly And it started to drive me crazy when I can’t figure it out…

    #932887 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    OK, well speaking to you as someone who has seen literally 1 billion views pass through these articles over the past 13 years…

    I can tell you that this pattern is exactly what happens in these situations. This is not unique, this is as common a pattern as can be.

    There are excellent relationships that started with the couple sleeping together early on. So that’s not a dealbreaker.

    BUT it does press the “fast forward” button past the initial stages of dating.

    It puts you at a disadvantage if you’re not skilled at the later stages of the relationship, after you’ve slept together a few times.

    Now that he’s slept with you, the question is, “Is there anything else you have to offer?”

    The novelty of the sex wears off rather quickly (especially in today’s world).

    So are you a woman that can offer the “something more” that makes a man want a long term relationship?

    Do you know what that “something more” is? Do you know how to create that “something more” with a man?

    If you don’t then that’s why this is happening… this is what happens, as sure as clockwork, if the thing that makes him see relationship potential isn’t there.

    Do you know what it is?

    #932891 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Unfortunately the majority of budding relationships don’t work out– it’s just the way dating works. People date for a month, or two, or three, and things don’t progress. It happens more often than not.

    I think one of the biggest indicators of a man’s romantic interest is whether he’s escalating things in an appropriate way– seeing you more, taking you on nice dates, calling and texting more, during the first few weeks/months of dating. This guy is not escalating things with you, in fact he’s de-escalating.

    Remember a guy who wants you for a girlfriend will want to make a good impression on you– he should be on his best behavior. A guy who’s canceling dates and not replying to your messages is not a guy who’s trying to impress you.

    Eric had a good point about sleeping together too soon. It does change the dynamic of the relationship. It sounds like now that this guy slept with you, and has lost interest, honestly. As much as it sucks, if I were you I’d lean way back– don’t initiate more dates or contact him. Let him come to you. It’s the only way you’ll be able to gauge his interest level. I suspect you’ll see that he is starting to fade away. Sorry to say that.

    #932896 Reply
    Anna

    I agree with Liz, he should be escalating not seeing you less and I am not sure how far you live from each other or how busy you both are, but it doesn’t look like he wanted to see you more than once a week.
    I wouldn’t say sex is to blame here, however women tend to get attached quickly after sex, men don’t, so maybe he sensed that your attitude towards him shifted or maybe he was only looking for sex and there is nothing you could’ve done anyway.
    I disagree with Eric though, because yes, men want women who ‘get’ them, their goals etc , but I personally know a lot of men who just want the relationship no matter who with. It sometimes all goes down to meeting someone at the right time, meeting someone who is available and open to have a relationship.
    It is worth pointing out here, as disappointed as you might be right now , that he hasn’t shown you any boyfriend material qualities so good riddance really!

    #932903 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    I think it’s important to look at the big picture here.

    Maybe there are men who want a relationship no matter who with… are these the men you want to date?

    It is true that meeting someone at the right time matters, but it matters insofar as them being open to a relationship.

    And that comes down to them being open to discussing what’s meaningful in their life with you and you knowing how to navigate that.

    That’s what “girlfriend qualities” really are, and most men won’t show much of their “boyfriend qualities” until they see your “girlfriend qualities”.

    Again, “girlfriend qualities” have nothing to do with good sex, “chemistry”, having fun dates together, finding each other enjoyable on dates, etc.

    It has everything to do with “will my life with this woman be better than it ever could be without her?”

    If the answer to that is no, a man will still sleep with you. In those cases it will last until the novelty of that wears off. Or until the dynamic becomes more trouble than it’s worth.

    For him, sleeping with you has no downside. For you, it’s flooding your system with profoundly powerful bonding chemicals.

    On your side, you’re feeling deep feelings and it’s easy to assume he must be feeling something too. But he’s not… or if he is feeling something, it’s not from sex.

    See, here’s the big issue I have with a lot of relationship discussion online.

    A lot of it focuses on evaluating the feedback you’re getting based on things you’ve already done.

    Is he doing this? Oh, then he’s not into you. (OK, but what if what he’s doing IS in response to what he saw from you?)

    Is he doing that? He’s into you… (OK, but what if you’re missing what actually matters and once the novelty wears off, he’s gone?)

    What works to make a man want to commit in the first place?

    The whole picture changes when you understand how that works.

    Then dating isn’t confusing or stressful.

    You understand what needs to happen in order for a relationship to be possible.

    You show up and do what you can to connect. He’ll either participate or he won’t.

    Yes you’ll be watching how he responds at every step, but you will be proactive and in control of yourself.

    It won’t be like some game of luck, where you go on a few dates, he loses interest, disappears and you don’t know why it happened.

    If the guy doesn’t participate, you don’t take it personally, you’re not confused, you’re not hurt. You just see he’s not a candidate and you’re OK with it.

    Think about it. If you really believed it was all just luck and timing, you wouldn’t bother with looking for relationship advice.

    You intuitively understand there are ways to build connection with a man in a way where he wants to build a deep connection with you.

    Decades ago this process was largely baked into the culture and social norms. These days all of that is gone and if you want to create that kind of connection, you must be aware of how it happens and intentionally interact that way.

    You can’t force a guy to love you, sure.

    But most men are open to connection and commitment, but it must be with the right woman.

    A man is evaluating if a woman would be a good relationship partner from the very first moment.

    If you bring that to the table, he will participate and the connection will grow deeper, which will lead to him wanting commitment.

    If you don’t bring that to the table, he’ll still sleep with you and flirt with you until he’s had his fill. And then he’ll disappear.

    So really think about that. When he disappears because something you could have given him was missing, are you satisfied with the answer “oh he just wasn’t boyfriend material. Next!”?

    Or do you want to understand everything you can do to stack the odds in your favor?

    So that IF you can get the guy, you do? And if you can’t, you see it from the get-go, before you invest any emotion in him?

    #932906 Reply
    Anna

    my sister is with a man who committed to her after 3rd date and I can tell you it is not because she connected with him on another level …
    However it has been 8 months since and he is not making any effort to see her, she is the one driving to him, cooking for him etc.
    So yes to answer your question no it is not someone I would like to date.

    but also since your are talking about emotional connection, how do we reach that level with a man we are dating?

    #932919 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    >> “but also since your are talking about emotional connection, how do we reach that level with a man we are dating?”

    See my reply on this post:

    What creates an emotional connection with a man?

    ^^ That’s a link you can click, normally people can’t link to things on the forum, but I can. :)

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