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  • #790572 Reply
    Jennifer

    I’ve been in a “get to know you” exchange during this lockdown/virus period with a guy who works at the same company. We met for drinks just before the lockdown and had a great time. Since then, he’s been texting me daily and we briefly met at a park a couple weeks ago. He’s divorced for a year, but still has a trial upcoming causing him a lot of angst. He still talks about his ex–she was the one who filed–and he didn’t want the divorce. Last weekend we talked for 2 hours about the future, making plans for when the lockdown is over, and decided to meet up the next day. Abruptly, he cancelled our date and then said he didn’t want to lie to me. That he needed a moment alone…had a lot going on…needed to sort things out…wanted to insulate him and I from how much he is facing…he’s a mess and doesn’t want to burden me or hurt me…that he’s not ready to let anyone in right now. He said he wants to give it time. I thanked him for his honesty, said I understood his situation and said for us to give it some time. He replied and said he agreed that this time we’re in makes it all worse. I didn’t reply and I haven’t heard from him in over a week. He said he cared about me and he’s there if I need him. This change was so abrupt, but I totally understand and respect his situation. Should I have replied to his last text, or just let it go? Is being his friend during this time advisable?

    #790573 Reply
    Raven

    Do you really need friends like this?!

    #790574 Reply
    K

    LET. HIM. GO.

    He’s not even close to over her and it’s very possible they will reconcile.

    NEVER get involved with a man who is recently divorced and still talking about his ex, especially when he didn’t want the divorce and she filed. Such a man is the worst kind of head case.

    I take it you met him online. A lot of men will immediately list themselves on dating sites to get over the last one by getting another one under them. Ha. Just weed out guys who are too newly out of another relationship, they’re only going to use you as a rebound. They’re too hurt to know what they’re even doing.

    Don’t feel sorry for him and want to help or fix him. If you try to stay “friends” with this guy you will be used for free therapy and then abandoned when he finds the woman he really wants to do. It won’t be you if you’re hanging around listening to his problems.

    #790575 Reply
    Jennifer

    K: I didn’t meet him online. Met him 6 months ago, while we were on a team project at work. So, I will still be seeing him, even though we work in different departments. That’s why the question about being a friend, without getting too involved in being his “therapist.” Letting him go is not really the issue as I see clearly a romantic relationship is not in the cards, or one I’d be open to now.

    #790577 Reply
    K

    I meant let him go as in don’t try to be friends. You work with him – even more reason not to engage further. He’s got an open legal battle on his hands in a divorce he doesn’t want. He isn’t any mindset to be just “friends” with you, you’d wind up hearing about his problems. He’s also not at all his normal self right now.

    #790580 Reply
    M

    He asked for space. I’d give it to him and leave him alone. I think we want to tend to want to do the opposite when someone pulls away: chase or settle, but really those things are going to push the guy further away. Leave him be and keep your other options open.

    #790585 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    I wouldn’t attempt or hope for a friendship with this guy. You barely know him, and things have already gotten weird. He has a lot of baggage that has already affected your very limited interactions. This isn’t a good foundation for a friendship, much less a relationship. Plus the fact that you work together is not good– you don’t want any awkwardness seeping into your work relationship.

    #790623 Reply
    mell

    Friendship is for people you don’t want to date/arent in love with, who you enjoy spending time with and have a mutually beneficial relationship with.

    Dating is for people you fancy, who you enjoy spending time with and have a mutually beneficial relationship with. And of course, are compatible with as life time partners, hopefully.

    If he won’t date you because it’s too messy (but you like him), and he’s in no position to be dealing with new people, how is he a good candidate as a friend? Don’t keep men who won’t date you, but that you are into in your friendship pool – it’ll only lead ot hurt. And almost always, they aren’t actually being good friends anyway.

    You’ve met this guy twice, he’s not your friend.

    #790624 Reply
    mell

    Oh, and I’ve seen where this goes. One of my friends keeps exes she dated briefly as friends – after they promised undying love after a date, then backed out after like 2 dates because they were scared of commitment. These are recent exes.

    Maybe they’d be OK as friends if there weren’t previous sex or feelings involved. But they ffrequently pester her about giving them another chanceor how they wish she wasn’t with her now BF and I feel sorry for her.

    If she stuck to making friends with men where there weren’t feelings involved, she’d have a lot less nuisance.

    #790629 Reply
    Ss

    You’ve posted this before I’m sure?

    I don’t think it’s impossible to just be friends but it depends on why. I dated a guy for a month and we had sex a few times. He started to fade, i don’t chase so just left it. Then i realised that i missed our chats – not the sex or romantic stuff. the sex wasn’t that great for me so maybe thats why i wasn’t bothered but i ended up messaging him saying it seemed we were not a good fit romantically but we get on so well shall we just be friends. He said cool and we are now genuine friends and have been for nearly a year. Pre lockdown we would meet for a coffee most weeks and we text and call often. There are no romantic feelings from me at all – he is a very good looking and nice man but i am genuinely happy having a platonic friendship and not secretly hankering for more – that’s why its been fine to stay friends.

    We have good boundaries so we don’t talk about sex stuff or flirt with eachother. He adds value to my life and we have an awesome connection. However if i still fancied him and secretly wanted more our friendship would not work.

    So my advice is, if you feel he would add value to your life as a friend then yes you should stay friends but what you described doesn’t sound like a person that is going to add value and it sounds like you might still have some romantic feelings so its not a great idea

    #790757 Reply
    Jennifer

    I have an update.

    He texted me after 10 days of NC. I was surprised because I thought he was done after telling me he couldn’t let anyone in and was not in a place to date right now. He did say he wanted to give his situation time to resolve. I didn’t expect to hear from him again. So, why would he text me?

    #790759 Reply
    Anon

    What did he say exactly?

    #790760 Reply
    K

    He’s had a moment of loneliness, regret, sadness or whatever, and is checking to see if you’re still on the line. He’s lonely or needs an ego boost. Men who get rejected by their wives are often looking for reassurance that some other woman will find them attractive. He’s probably in so much pain he doesn’t realize that he’s being extremely unfair to you by continuing contact.

    I wouldn’t say anything or at most I”d say, until your situation resolves entirely and you’ve had some healing time it’s best for both of us not to have contact outside work or on a personal level. Don’t get sucked into this guy’s mess.

    #790761 Reply
    Jennifer

    He thought of me when he heard music I liked and sent me links to a few songs he’s liking that were meant for me, he said. Both love songs about forgetting an old love and letting in a new one. He also brought me up to date on how his day was going. He was lighthearted and warm. Texted a few times back and forth.

    #790762 Reply
    Anon

    Agree with K. He’s not interested in a relationship with you in the way you are interested. He misses the nurturing a woman provides and being Mother’s Day he may have been sentimental. How you responded was fine. Don’t initiate with him at all.

    #790763 Reply
    Jennifer

    I never initiate with him. He keeps the convo going and oftentimes will call me. I don’t mind talking to him, as he’s a really interesting guy & very smart. Emotionally, I’m neutral at this point.

    I’m thinking I’ll just let it be until this shutdown is lifted and dating is possible again. I just don’t want to hurt him even more by shutting him down. When the time comes for me to start dating, then I guess I’ll deal with it.

    #790765 Reply
    K

    Jennifer: look at what you just wrote objectively. You’re playing with fire. He’s withdrawn saying he can’t handle a relationship because he’s going through a bad divorce and now he’s back 10 days later with songs for you??

    I don’t know if you’re just bored, but this is a dangerous game. “I don’t mind talking to him” – that’s a pretty weak reason to carry on contact. Are you just frittering your time because you have nothing better to do? Really?? I know it’s lockdown and all, but there’s still plenty to do.

    Sorry to scold but this is how women get sucked in. They feel sorry for the guy, he’s nice, they’re secretly hoping he’ll see what a great catch she is… she thought she was in control at the start and then she winds up hooked. Plenty of posts about that around here.

    Don’t mean to insult you but I think you know why he keeps calling and you’re flattered by the attention. Or you wouldn’t keep talking with him or posting about it here.

    Apparently you’re not going to let go and you’re going to be a friend. I really hope you don’t get burned. Best of luck. I’m staying off this thread now I’ve said all I can say.

    #790768 Reply
    Jennifer

    K, what is your solution then? Tell him to stop contacting me? What would you say?

    I came here asking why he would contact me again when I thought he was done. I don’t get it. What’s in it for him?

    #790779 Reply
    Newbie

    You need to make this about you and not him. He stays in contact because he already gave you the disclaimer he Is not ready to date. But i mean whatever. You are ready to date and find a man who will love you and he is not that man. Its that simple. You dont have the time or energy left if you pick up all the strays on the journey. You have to be selfish here.
    Just say: it was nice to get to know you, but i also heard you not ready for a relationship. I am however and think its best not to stay in contact for now. Wish you the best. Or something like that.

    #790784 Reply
    mell

    @ss gives really good advice. But being friends only works out if both parties have no more romantic or sexual feelings and are both in the right place and the right time to be friends.

    It’s clear you’re not at that stage, OP. K is right. If he contacts you, remind him that you’ve discussed dating and he and you want different things. Then tell him that because you have feelings for him, you don’t feel it would be helpful to stay in contact right now because it hurts, and that you hope he can understand your need for space – just like you understand his need to not have a relationship.

    What’s in it for him? He gets a friend who hangs on his every word because they hope for more. Having a friendzoned puppy around can be a heady feeling – people might not deliberately be looking to hurt you or play with your feelings, but it can be easy to get used to the time and attention this kind of ‘friend’ lavishes on you – because it alos tends to be more intimate than a genuinely platonic friendship. The one who is ‘friendzoned’ tends to go all out because they are pining and secretly hope they can show them that they are worthy.

    #790786 Reply
    Anon

    One way to set a healthy boundary when he texts is to give short answers or not respond really. If you don’t want to talk to someone, that’s what you do. I can understand how you don’t want to hurt him, but the one thing a previous poster mentioned is to think of yourself now. Men always do that with relationships which is why they seem in control of them- if they want a relationship- they pursue it, if they don’t- they stop. This guy is in rebound territory and is looking for comfort, not a new serious relationship.

    #790790 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    You said “I don’t want to hurt him even more by shutting him down.” That’s the wrong way to think of it. Newbie is 100% correct when she said to make it about you and not about him. He’s not thinking about YOUR feelings and the fact he’s stringing you along. In fact he’s treating you like a toy that he takes out to play with when he feels like it, and then pushes away when he doesn’t want it any more. And like Newbie said, you’re not responsible for picking up every stray you find along the way (great analogy, haha).

    This is a guy you hung out with once before the lockdown, right? And have talked and texted a bit since then? How much do you realistically even think you can hurt him? Yes, his ego will be a bit hurt when you pull away, but that’s life. Why should you be at his whim just to keep his feelings from getting hurt?

    I think you should be honest with yourself too. I think you’re not just talking to him because you “don’t mind talking to him”. You’re talking to him because you want something romantic to develop. It’s OK that you feel that way, the important thing is to be honest and recognize it, don’t pretend that’s not what’s going on.

    I really sympathize with you because women are so often made to feel that we have to be caretakers for men. I’ve been there, believe me. So I understand the mentality of wanting to be “nice” to him. But you’ll only hurt yourself. So be less responsive when he texts. Don’t respond immediately. Send one or two word answers. Tell him you’re talking to other men and want to focus on getting to know them. It’s perfect OK to tell him you’re seeking a relationship and want to put your energy there now.

    #790793 Reply
    K

    Jennifer, I don’t think he will be as hurt as you think. Also, you are not responsible for him. You’re shortchanging yourself in the name of being polite to him and that’s unfair to you. YOu’re looking for someone available and he has made it clear he is not. And honestly, he won’t be for a long, long time. He will need time to heal after this divorce is over. You will more than likely be well on to someone else in the near future because you are ready. It could take him years.

    Just be direct, don’t beat around the bush. I don’t agree on the “be short, take your time to respond” – I find that approach rather cowardly and dishonest. Treating someone like that is a lot more hurtful than telling the truth. He’s put it out there that he’s not ready. You can and should be as honest about where you are at. I would call him and tell him you appreciate that he was honest and said he’s not ready for a relationship. Thing is, you are and because of the difference in where you two are in life it’s really best that you not have any contact on a personal level outside work. Leave it at that. Don’t get into a discussion or explanations. If you have to send it in text or email that’s OK, you don’t know this guy that well. And he really is being inappropriate at this stage by continuing to contact you. Again, honestly, he’s using you to boost his ego by doing silly things like sending you songs about finding new love. Put up some boundaries, set your standards, put yourself first and have the life you choose.

    #790794 Reply
    K

    You’ve gotten a ton of good advice here… I really hope you take it. This guy is a hot mess.

    #790799 Reply
    Jennifer

    K, newbie, anon, mell, Liz,

    THANK YOU for the great advice. You got me thinking about putting myself first and what I want out of my life right now. When I really examine my feelings, I think I am engaged in a lot of “wishful” thinking that I could be the one to save and heal him. I don’t know why that’s the case, but it is true. Maybe it is how women are socialized to be caretakers. Makes sense and I got hooked into that role. Thinking that I could be the one to help him imagine a new life with a new love (me!) kept me in it, I think.

    I feel so bad for him and what he’s going through. He is divorced for a year & separated for 2 years, so I expected he was open to dating. He seemed to be, until this stay-at-home period. Texting me everyday started to trail off and now it’s once a week. I don’t need the distraction and now that I know he is not ready to date– and who knows when that will change–I need to put myself first, as you’ve all said, and set boundaries.

    I can’t thank you guys enough for opening up a new way for me to see what he is really doing (wanting comfort)/ego boost) and what I am doing (wishful thinking). Intentions are hard to see when you’re in it. I’m now seeing the light.

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