How do you "go with the flow?"


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  • #430856 Reply
    Bec

    I’ve been dating a guy for 2 months and due to previous bad experiences I’ve developed anxiety and insecurities. I have been working on these and try not to let it affect this new relationship but although I try not to let it leak into my relationship sometimes I can’t help but over analyse and read much into things which may influence what i say in messages when we speak. My question is how do I just go with the flow when I really care about him? I know to take things as they come and I do.. I don’t force anything but I want to know what it means by that phrase and how do you do it?

    #430865 Reply
    Lane

    Hi Bec.

    Going with the flow essentially means you aren’t planning your wedding day by the third date and that if it doesn’t work out you will be perfectly fine because a man doesn’t define who you are.

    For instance, with most of BF’s I just “went with the flow” by being in the present, enjoying each other’s company and not worrying about details or planning an unknown future because I was very independent and confident enough in myself that I didn’t need to rely on a man to validate my worth. In a nutshell, I was content whether I was single or seeing someone. It was usually the opposite with me where the guys were more on edge in relationships because they knew I didn’t put up with bull crap and would walk away without a thought if I became unhappy with them. I’m usually the one who bolted (broke up) with men so I didn’t have the insecurities most women do.

    Today, my guy of over 18 months knows I will walk if he pushes me to that point and he did last week where I have REFUSED to take his calls over the past few days when he acted like a petulant child, he’s 53 BTW. I don’t put up with bull crap because once you do they will take advantage of it and the only person you can blame is yourself—I refuse to play games.

    #430874 Reply
    Melli

    Lane, out of curiosity, how did he act? And when will you talk to him again?

    #430879 Reply
    dauny

    To me going with the flow means living in the moment. Spontaneous, without a plan. Only thing is you don’t go with somebody else’s flow, have your own flow. If you flow with somebody else’s flow, that’s great, just be careful where they take you. Get off if you don’t like the ride. When a guy say’s go with the flow, or something like that…without my even asking, they’ll say lets just see where things go (or something to that effect), I will say “what if I don’t want it to “go” anywhere?

    #430880 Reply
    Jocelyn

    Thank you Bec for this thread! I’m exactly like you, an anxious/insecure attachment prime example in rehab and looking forward to any tips on how not to worry too much :)

    I agree with Lane that you need to respect and value yourself in order for men to respect and value you too. In the end it’s a mixture of many things, such as being surrounded by people who you love and who love you (also outside your relationship!), doing activities you enjoy, being able to truly be yourself, being in touch with your feelings and knowing that ups and downs of life do not define you – you know, generally just leading a happy, fulfilled life either on your own or with a significant other.

    My personal experience is that when my insecurities kick in, I lose sight of who I am. When I’m on my own, I’m perfectly happy and fun to be with, but for whatever reason seeking for a certain guy’s love, affection and – this is the key word – APPROVAL, I’m not being fully me anymore. I know it sounds stupid but it’s about minor stuff. In my head I more or less consciously create an image of what the guy wants me to be and try to live up to that. I guess I figure that if I live up to his expectations (which actually are only in MY head), he’ll love me. However, you can sense a person who’s not 100% happy with their life and confident in who they are a mile away, can’t you? So this strategy is a big fail.

    If your insecurities make you feel like this, you should try to figure out who YOU are and what makes you happy, and then incorporate more of these in your life. I’m writing down daily 3 things that went well that day and what I’m grateful for. That helps me focus on the good in my life and what puts me in a good mood. I’m also writing about what I like about myself, what I’m proud of and what I enjoy doing. It may feel awkward in the beginning but trust me, in the long run it will help you refocus your mind and feel more satisfied with your life in general. And when you’re happy and enjoy your life, there’s no need to be insecure/anxious/needy anymore! ;)

    #430881 Reply
    dauny

    It’s a matter of disregarding conventions that do not suit you, after evaluating what they have actually done for you and if you have realized that they are ultimately unsatisfying. For example, what do you think is going to happen when you find a man you commit to, move in together, get married, etc.? Look around you, and see what others’ lives seem to be like in their partnered relationships. Decide if its for you. Don’t get stuck with a mindset of a social construct that may be antiquated for many people. As you can look at the high divorce rate, and that it increases with each subsequent marriage. Life is short. Live for today.

    Do your own thing, but do not put up with disrespect by letting anyone take advantage of your flexibility and openness.

    #430887 Reply
    Lane

    Hi Melli.

    What happened is we went out on Saturday and apparently I said “he wasn’t special” when we were hanging out with some people at the bar in a restaurant we ate at earlier. I do NOT recall saying that, but he knows I’m a smart ass as he is too as were having a little “tit for tat” earlier all in fun and jest so I have no idea why he would take that personally knowing full well who I am, especially the sarcastic side of me.

    I had just got out of a meeting when he called and threw that “hot potato” on me FOUR DAYS LATER where he had called at least twice since then and made no mention of it whatsoever and acted normal. I called him back later when I was in a better head space and he let it go to VM. I called one more time the next morning and it went to VM again so said “OK then I guess its over, good luck.” He didn’t call back until five days later (Friday night) where at that point I told myself I refuse to engage in these silly games. I’m DONE and moving on because once I out a guy in the rear view window I keep moving forward and don’t look back. I already have a date next Sunday :-)

    #430888 Reply
    Lane

    oops, meant “put a guy…” (not out)

    #430891 Reply
    Lane

    Numbers are off it was three days, not four (said it on Monday); and called back four days later not five—doesn’t matter its that I refuse to play these games. He did something similar during x-mas time and so its a “two strikes your out” kind of thing…one time he gets a pass, twice he gets the boot.

    #431003 Reply
    Flower

    Wow lane! And you are not even making a thread out of it! How do you manage to remain so aloof! Its a great example, if more women were like this, having standards and not letting them get away with their crap, that would teach them how to behave and treat women. The problem is, bio-clock ticking, Many settle for less, making all kinds of excuses for them (but he wasnt so bad after all, but i need the sex, but where do i find another one now etc etc). Its sad and pathetic. We are the queens, lets start acting like that! Half of the questions have obvious answeres, a Man who sees you as the one, WILL come back for you, and lets you get away with a murder, Other than that, not worth it. Bye felisha, Haha. Thumbs up Lane, for staying above the ground ????.

    #431005 Reply
    Confused

    Wow Lane, I wish I could be more like you and not let everything get to me so much, my emotions rule me constantly and I still can’t handle my break up which happened two months ago!!!

    #431113 Reply
    Bec

    Wow lane that’s amazing! That’s awesome you know your worth.
    I know mine too I just went through a pretty bad time and a guy I was with caught me at a very vulnerable moment and unfortunately I did let him walk all over me. It’s been 2 years since then and I’ve done a lot of soul searching and working on myself. I am mostly happy with my life, I have a job, great friends and will be returning to uni next year I think because this guy is just so great I’m just scared of becoming the same girl I was in my past relationship even though I’ve changed immensely since then.
    I can’t seem to find a balance between opening up enough so he can see who I am and whether we are compatible and keeping mystery. I can’t help but have a guard up and I try to let it down and then when one of my insecurities kick in the wall goes straight up and I push away.
    He’s been very patient with me but I can’t seem to find a nice balance. I guess this being my first dating thing since my ex it was always going to be harder for me.
    Thank you everyone for your comments and opinions
    Keep them coming they are so helpful

    #431123 Reply
    redcurleysue

    Lane you are an amazing woman…hats off.

    It is simple to be happy but to be happy you have to know who you are – what you want – and do not settle for less in your life.

    First, no woman was born with a man by her side. She had a life before men came into the picture…so why does a woman suddenly focus her universe on having a man…I mean her whole world is ruled by this one thing…think about it really.

    A woman has her own kingdom to run…she is the queen of that kingdom and men are a part of her kingdom but not all of it. That is how men see women and they do just fine…I suggest we learn from men…they have the right idea.

    #431745 Reply
    Bec

    Thank you everyone

    #651591 Reply
    Ann

    @Dauny and all:

    That’s really well-written. I am thankful for your sharing and insights. I am in the same predicament and I believe I can learn a thing or two from you. Getting rid of my insecurities, and trying not to center the whole universe on my man. Great one, girls!

    #651629 Reply
    Tina

    Bec, I think Lane gave you the best possible advice. It will be so much easier for you to “go with the flow” if you make sure you keep your life without him running. Keep your hobbies (or find a new one), read books, go out with your friends, spend time with your family, every day think of all the blessings you have and have nothing to do with him. You need to truly believe you will be fine if it doesn’t work out between the two of you. This was what helped me the most when I was struggling with the ghosts of the part relationship at the beginning of the new one.

    #651638 Reply
    Joe

    Lane, “apparently I said “he wasn’t special”. That’s not sarcastic, it’s cruel and unkind. If you have to be a smart ass, don’t aim your snide remarks toward a man you’re dating.

    #651639 Reply
    Joe

    I know this is an old post, but maybe my comments will help another lady interact with a man in a respectful way..

    #651725 Reply
    Lane

    @Joe

    I suggest you re-read my post. We were joking around and for some odd reason he picked out that particular statment days later after acting normally.

    He was being passive-aggressive and I don’t play that game as he had done it before (took off for a few days then came bagging me back) so I was DONE at that point.

    He was the insecure one and I finally got tired of it.

    #651732 Reply
    Emma

    @Joe – little fella, you are getting even on my very patient nerves!

    “Interact respectively with a man”??? In Lane’s case, it was the man who was disrespectful, she called twice and he ignored her twice, each time for several days. What is your problem? You can’t read? Ignoring a woman you are seeing is not disrespectful?

    Ladies, you don’t need to be queens, it is not about being a queen or a princess, it is about not putting up with disrespect and neglectful treatment. But I agree if all women learned how not to allow this, men would have to evolve, for the benefit of all of us. LOL

    #651733 Reply
    Joe

    Lane, I read your post and it’s not a joke to tell a guy he “isn’t special” ~ especially in front of the other people at the bar. Sarcasm sometimes be taken as disrespect and cruelty! Men have feeling too and that remark probably hurt him more than you know. However, I understand you dumping him for his passive-aggressive tendencies.

    #651761 Reply
    Hannah

    I agree it’s about just relaxing and knowing you’ll be absolutely fine if things go wrong. Remind yourself you were happy without him before he came along, so you’ll be happy without him if it doesn’t work out.

    There’s no point stressing and worrying because the only thing that does is bring friction and negativity to the relationship….2 things that can kill off a budding connection with someone.

    #651771 Reply
    jenni smith

    Totally agree with Joe here re: @Lane. Esp. saying something that can be perceived as disrespectful like this, in front of others, is a huge blow to a guy’s ego. i do understand that because of the passive aggressive way of handling it, that he may not be a good match for you. maybe a learning opportunity for him to communicate in a more straightforward way?

    #651783 Reply
    As usual

    Lane can give good advice. However, i agree I need this case that she can be a sarcastic ass. She claims she is the cool girl and is flirty by nature, Yama Yada. The reality is that she was never all into this man. Isn’t he the guy who works on a ship for months ata time? And you have been with him for over a year and just said it was all going so well. And the same guy she told she doesn’t have much time for anyway because she is so busy with her business.? It’s not that cavalier to dump a man you aren’t that into and rarely see anyway. Men have feelings too and even without understand the cont txt what she said was hurtful.especially in front of other people. Lane is a ball buster. Men want a woman who respects him. If only lane could practice what she preached because if another woman said this she would have been all over that woman about making the man feel unmanly or unappreciated. It mighta been needy or silly for him to go quiet but he was probably taking space. Another concept that Lane preaches. What I didn’t hear was an apology to him. Just that she was mad he ignored her, and if this happened once before so she dumped him. He is probably better off so he can meet a girl that really likes him and wants him. Passive aggressive isn’t the best way to handle things but neither is shaming someone in public. You minimize his feelings and then dump him because he has bad behavior? He is luckier than he will ever know.

    #651839 Reply
    Lane

    This happened over two years ago, geesh! I’m with a good man now, our relationship is strong, he treats me great, and we have a much different dynamic so its working for us. My ending it with the other guy was the right decision for me and so I pulled the plug which allowed me to meet the one I’m with now and that’s the gist of what I was trying to relay in my original post the OP. Let it go, I have.

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