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  • #363763 Reply
    amanda

    Hello,

    So a friend and I have been debating about this the past few days. I’ve been on some great dates with a guy, really fun and casual, but am in a situation now where I wonder if it’s okay for me to ask HIM on a date, instead of waiting for him to. We both have talked about wanting to see each other again.

    This might sound so stupid but I feel like I should wait for him to initiate the 4th date since he’s the dude, but guy friend thinks that’s ridiculous and that a girl should feel just as free to do so (something simple like, ‘Hey, wanna grab some food later?). My friend by the way is also a guy, and saying, ‘Take it from a dude, we like it when the girl initiates every now and then…’

    I’m pretty hip to stuff socially, but dating is so confusing! Is it really a turn-off when a girl initiates dates, or is that totally okay? My guy friend is like, “What century are you living in, girl?” basically saying my wanting to wait for the guy to do stuff is super outdated.

    In my 20s, btw….

    #363765 Reply
    Lane

    Hi Amanda.

    It really depends on the guy as it can screw up their process if they feel like you’re trying to take and push it forward. I personally would only make a suggestion if he asks, but if I was to initiate, I would wait until after the 5th or 6th date or until I felt pretty certain and confident he was totally into me.

    Thing is, if you initiate you don’t really know if he’s just saying yes to be nice or if he really wants to see you? Although men know pretty early if your the one, I still prefer to let them lead until they commit. Call me old fashioned but the old ways worked a heck of lot better then ow where too many women do the chasing…just saying.

    #363773 Reply
    Ali

    I agree with lane. Don’t initiate plans until he’s your boyfriend.

    #363903 Reply
    Rebecca

    While asking him out prevents you from really knowing his interest level (he might say “yes” to be polite), I also don’t think asking him out would make him less interested, provided you aren’t being too aggressive: suggesting a date idea when he has already said he wants to see you again is one thing… asking him out when he has made no suggestion of seeing you again is something else. If your goal is to see how interested he is, as quickly as you can find out, then maybe don’t ask him on any dates until he commits to a more committed relationship.

    Personally, I’ve asked out guys after a few dates, when I had a particular something I want to do at a particular time (he can’t be a mindreader and some events have no raincheck). But I’m at a time of my life where it’s okay if he’s not that interested. If he agrees to see me and I have a good time going out somewhere, then I consider that a success. I can still find out his interest level based on whether he asks me out the time after that.

    On the other hand, I probably wouldn’t ask a guy out after a third date if I didn’t have something I really wanted to do. While asking a guy out at that point might not be a turn-off for him, there’s also not a great reason to ask: it seems like there’s more of a reason to let him ask. It sounds to me like you don’t want to ask him out, so in that case… don’t. Your way is fine, maybe even preferred, as long as you are being receptive and interested in him and the dates of course.

    #363919 Reply
    Engineer

    I’m a 26 year old woman and I agree with your guy friends. The guy that I’m seeing had asked me out to dinner three weekends in a row and the fourth, we were casually texting back and forth after work, and I asked him if he wanted to grab dinner and he said yes and so we went. I asked him later if he was going to ask since he had asked me what I was doing that night, then didn’t actually ask to do anything, and he said, “maybe, but I was honestly hoping you’d ask me so I’d know you reciprocated interest.” Not only that, but I also paid that night. When the check came, he pulled his wallet out, but I said, “no, I’ve got it” and he tried to refuse, then finally asked if he could at least pay his half, and I told him, “you’ve taken me out to dinner multiple times — I’ve got it!” and he thanked me. That was 3 months ago and we’re still seeing each other regularly, in fact, he has even come over to take care of me this past week when I was hungover (haha) and then texted me later that night saying, “gotta take care of you!”

    While I usually agree with the advice given by the women on here, I respectfully disagree. If someone has taken you on three dates then is chased away by you asking them to grab a bite to eat, they’re likely childish or not legitimate in the first place.

    #363921 Reply
    Lane

    Hi engineer.

    Its great that it worked out for you, but in majority of cases it doesn’t, whereas the lady comes on here asking WTF happened when he ghosted/faded after she asked him out! It really depends on the GUY and his level of interest.

    Your experience is the exception, not the rule. Although I don’t think it would be improper to do so if the guy’s level interest level appears to be strong, but if its to try to fill in the gap (lack of interest) or push him forward (spend more time with him) then it will most likely backfire. I would need to feel pretty confident that he’s into me before I would initiate a date, and then would let him lead again to make sure his interest’s still there.

    #363923 Reply
    Engineer

    Lane,

    I totally agree. I would strongly recommend someone letting the man make the move if she’s not clearly of his level of interest. However, if you know there’s a high level of interest, there’s nothing wrong with asking him to do something. Truth is, men can be just as insecure as women. So as usual, you would go with your gut in this situation.

    #364002 Reply
    Rebecca

    I have never been ghosted after asking a guy out after a 3rd date (perhaps because I usually date guys who are very interested in me, usually I know their interest level before I even agree to date them). Anyway, I’m not an expert, but I would guess if a guy ghosts after a girl asks him out, there’s more to it than *just* that. Like you said, Lane, if it’s an attempt for her to try to MAKE him be closer to her, he’s going to feel that pressure, and it will be a turn-off. If this a regular case of a girl asking a guy out and he ghosts afterwards, I would assume he was never that interested to begin with. Maybe he was enjoying the chase, so when that died out, his interest did to. If he disappeared that easily, however, I would doubt that relationship ever had a long-term future.

    Engineer, I’m sure guys do want to know how interested a girl is in him. Asking him out is only one way for him to know that. Another way is for her to tell him she had a great time and to thank him for the date. And similar sentiments if they are talking later in the week. Most guys would get the not-so-subtle hint that she is interested too.

    #364225 Reply
    amanda

    Thanks, Ladies.

    I appreciate your replies — I’ve decided it really comes down to knowing myself and how I feel intuitively, and what would be most authentic for ME – what would be me being myself, what feels comfortable. What makes me feel confident.

    In this case, my interest in him is high enough where I feel less awkward asking him to hang out again, then the awkwardness of me trying really hard not to. I’m going to do it casually, and I am a little fearful because he’s been busy lately and I don’t want to come across as pushy – but sometimes I psych myself out by worrying about being something that I’m really not. In the past, guys have loved it when I’ve initiated – I usually ended up just not being all that into them. But they loved my initiating.

    I’m going with my guy friend on this one. I’m going to follow the guy’s lead, but I’m definitely not going to wait until I’m ‘official’ with someone to initiate conversation and getting together.

    #364227 Reply
    ANON

    Good on you Amanda….seriously what century do we live in?? If a guy loses interest just because, heaven forbid, a FEMALE dared to ask hum out then he ain’t worth it!! What happened to equality?? Go with what your guy friend says….i would!!!

    #584227 Reply
    Shoshannah

    I am not an expert, but my intuition is… there are no strict rules like that. Of course, it is a major turn off when you’re pushing someone, chasing – and it is a turn-off in all kinds of relationships. I have a friend (a female friend) who is doing this at the moment. I forgot about her birthday, but – just to be polite – I apologized later and said that we have to get a pint to celebrate some day. And then I never got back to her. It’s her who nonetheless left a message a few days later. I DIDN’T REPLY AT ALL. And now, can you imagine, she writes again and asks whether I am free this week for her birthday pint that I mentioned. And true, this is a major turn-off. Simply because I can’t understand how someone can be so socially clueless. I may go for this pint with her if I don’t have anything better to do, but even then, it will be mostly because I feel obliged to.

    My point is – of course, you cannot be pushy with no-one, not a girlfriend, nor a boyfriend, nor someone you’ve just starting to date. It’s crucial to have some basic sense of tact and dignity.

    On the other hand, avoiding to ask a guy out – after a few dates – simply becuase it can be a turn-off is just… playing stupid mind-games. I agree that no normal guy will disappear for such a small reason.

    I am on this site because of a guy that I am now dating. So far it was all fine – according to above lines. I don’t even know who was initiating. We’ve been hanging around a lot as friends before. Then it was definitely him who made a step to get out of a friend zone – he made clear that it’s not all about just hanging out for him. But then… I don’t even know who was initiating. Mostly him, sometimes me. I stood him up once, he stood me up once. Then I initiated, he replied immediately and invited me for a coffee. And so on. I would say it 65% – 35% (he initiates 65%). And I think this is normal – you just don’t even think too much about who initiates. When you feel likeit, you do, when you don’t, you don’t. Sometimes, when you feel that it would too much, tactless, then you have to back off. That’s pretty simple. No sophisticated mind-games. Just some basic intuition and sense of tact.

    Unfortunately, with the guy who brought me here things got more complicated.
    1) Even though he made clear that we’re not just friends, he never tried to kiss me. I once got a kiss on a cheek and that’s it. And I was already hoping he would…
    2) He invited me to a cinema, but then had to cancel. He had a good reason, he had to visit his family because of some health problems of his close ones, so I was trying to be cool about it. Only now, I noticed that the movie that he invited me to (it was a particular old movie that we were planning to see for a few weeks) is now being played daily.

    That’s why I’m here. That has put me into anxiety mode. It was him who started, I have never thought that he’s more than a friend, but we got close and I started to like him… and maybe it’s just my period talking (I am on period at the moment), but I’m starting to have all those thoughts like ‘he’s too good for me’, ‘he is losing interest’ etc.

    I am leaving for Christmas in a few days and was hoping to see him before I leave. Also, on this Tuesday I finish work late, I would like to have a pint with him after work.

    Normally, I wouldn’t hesitate. I would text him on Tuesday, being confident that he’ll agree and even if he didn’t agree, I wouldn’t worry about it at all. Only now, unfortunately, given the above 2 points, I am not sure if it’s a good idea.

    Any advice?

    #584232 Reply
    Alice

    My experience is, you should know the basic rules so you know when and why to break them. Because they don’t always apply. But then mostly they do!

    #584238 Reply
    Nat

    The guy asked you out THREE times. It is totally normal to ask him now but don’t make it an official date invitation. Simply suggest to do something. One thing you mentioned made me stop for a second. That he has been busy lately. This busy thing is never good and it maybe because he gets no reciprocation from you.

    #584247 Reply
    redcurleysue

    I think you have to go by the interest level he has shown you this far and your gut.

    If he has shown high interest it is not out of step to ask him somewhere and pay.

    Something casual and inexpensive, or to be your escort to a party is nice as well.

    Another thing you can do is invite him and a few friends over for dinner and some games. Just do not let him overstay…make sure to end the evening.

    As long as you are totally casual about it I see nothing wrong here.

    #584317 Reply
    Shoshannah

    Thank you all for your replies!

    It’s day 1 of my period, as usual – extremely depressive. But I feel a bit better now, after reading your replies.

    He has shown me a lot of interest. At the beginning I was even concerned that maybe a bit too much. But it was very sweat – he simply got very interested in things that I like. He reads all my favorite books! :) He also remembers all the smallest things about me, like the name of my favorite perfum etc.

    Funny how things shift though, just a few weeks ago I really wouldn’t think that he can be anything more than a colleague (I was actually crushing on a different guy at the time, who turned out to be a jerk). Now I sometimes catch myself thinking that he is ‘too good to be true’. He is good. He is very ambitious, successful, handsome, but also very tactful, considerate and so sweat.

    I guess I’ll wait a bit… maybe he’ll reach out to me first. But if he doesn’t, then I will contact him on Tuesday. I really want to see him before I leave. And even if he won’t be able to make it, I guess it’s not the end of the world. If he was so into me, then he won’t just disappear for no serious reason.

    #584617 Reply
    Shoshannah

    Ok, he’s texting me all day today, so I guess all is fine.

    Back to the main question of the whole topic – now again, I feel like I can casually ask him out and it’s not a big deal. I’m sure he will like that and even if he doesn’t agree, it will be because he really won’t be able to go out. My point is – that’s how it should feel like. Efortless, comfortable. You want to initiate, you do, you don’t want to, you don’t. No mind games, no counting ‘who invited whom, how many times’.

    Sure, a little bit of a game is unavoidable and necessary at the early stages. But it should be such a small amount that it would never bring anyone to forums like that.

    I actually believe that spending times on such forums is usually a red flag. It means that something is not clicking, sometimes it can even be sign that the OP is sensing that something is too off about her or his date. Because if everything is fine, it shouldn’t be that difficult.

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